Stoppage from PAYE pay....

Marcon

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

Do that. It's likely to be more useful than posting here just to have a moan about things.

booneruk

I can imagine Unite membership will start at something a little over £10pm

LinLui

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

(a) None of that has any meaning at all. The law is clear - the cost / liability for DBS is YOURS, not the employers, and you are expected to know that. So it doesn't matter what the employer told you or didn't tell you - unless they told you that THEY would pay it for you the bill is yours to pay. It doesn't matter whether you work for only them or 20 other people - the liability to pay for DBS is yours. 

(b) As a lifelong member of Unite and its predecessor unions, I hope that they will be very clear that you will get no help with the pre-existing issues. I, and people like me, have not paid for decades to support somebody who decides that they'll join a union only because they need it (and in all probability leave again in short shrift). But regardless, they cannot do anything about this issue - unless you can show that the employer said they would pay the cost, then the cost is down to you. 

It may not be best of employers, but that is not the point - they have the right to take this payment, it is money that you owe them, and taking it even if it reduces your wage below the NMW is allowed. https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/national-minimum-wage-manual/nmwm11090

EnPointe

DBS updates you  do with your details and pay your 13 GBP a year ...  looks like the updates are being mismanaged 

Undervalued

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

Generally a union won't help with issues that started before you joined. They have some discretion on this in certain circumstances.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the "SOLELY so that I can work for them" may not help. Your only real arguement may be if they agreed to cover these fees on an ongoing basis and are now refusing to do so.

EnPointe

Undervalued said:

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

Generally a union won't help with issues that started before you joined. They have some discretion on this in certain circumstances.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the "SOLELY so that I can work for them" may not help. Your only real arguement may be if they agreed to cover these fees on an ongoing basis and are now refusing to do so.

DBS update  came aobut   so people  could  make their DBS disclosure  rather more portable  than  the original CRB scheme 

maxmycardagain

LinLui said:

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

(a) None of that has any meaning at all. The law is clear - the cost / liability for DBS is YOURS, not the employers, and you are expected to know that. So it doesn't matter what the employer told you or didn't tell you - unless they told you that THEY would pay it for you the bill is yours to pay. It doesn't matter whether you work for only them or 20 other people - the liability to pay for DBS is yours. 

(b) As a lifelong member of Unite and its predecessor unions, I hope that they will be very clear that you will get no help with the pre-existing issues. I, and people like me, have not paid for decades to support somebody who decides that they'll join a union only because they need it (and in all probability leave again in short shrift). But regardless, they cannot do anything about this issue - unless you can show that the employer said they would pay the cost, then the cost is down to you. 

It may not be best of employers, but that is not the point - they have the right to take this payment, it is money that you owe them, and taking it even if it reduces your wage below the NMW is allowed. https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/national-minimum-wage-manual/nmwm11090

whats clear is the company recruitment ads say they pay all costs, im more concerned about the other £150/year which thier greedy eyes will be looking at next

maxmycardagain

booneruk said:

I can imagine Unite membership will start at something a little over £10pm

which isnt bad  considering the line manager needs a lesson, he carefully chooses women to intimidate knowing men are more likely not to bother with a union

GingerTim

maxmycardagain said:

booneruk said:

I can imagine Unite membership will start at something a little over £10pm

which isnt bad  considering the line manager needs a lesson, he carefully chooses women to intimidate knowing men are more likely not to bother with a union

But if you join the union now, they (quite rightly) won't help with an existing problem. Nor is the union there to 'give a manager a lesson'.

Never knew that men are more likely not to bother with a union than women. You learn something new every day...

LinLui

maxmycardagain said:

LinLui said:

maxmycardagain said:

company have confirmed that employees have to pay the annual DBS "update fees" and that we were told at induction (we had no interview or induction)

we had no induction and this is the first time its been take, this branch has recouped £2500 this way, my other fees (£150/year) - they say - will not be taken

these fees are SOLELY so i can work for them and thier reqruitment adverts still say all fees will be paid by the company

my wife was accused of being a liar over this, before easter the manager threatened her with total loss of her work if i left

i think we should join Unite Union

(a) None of that has any meaning at all. The law is clear - the cost / liability for DBS is YOURS, not the employers, and you are expected to know that. So it doesn't matter what the employer told you or didn't tell you - unless they told you that THEY would pay it for you the bill is yours to pay. It doesn't matter whether you work for only them or 20 other people - the liability to pay for DBS is yours. 

(b) As a lifelong member of Unite and its predecessor unions, I hope that they will be very clear that you will get no help with the pre-existing issues. I, and people like me, have not paid for decades to support somebody who decides that they'll join a union only because they need it (and in all probability leave again in short shrift). But regardless, they cannot do anything about this issue - unless you can show that the employer said they would pay the cost, then the cost is down to you. 

It may not be best of employers, but that is not the point - they have the right to take this payment, it is money that you owe them, and taking it even if it reduces your wage below the NMW is allowed. https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/national-minimum-wage-manual/nmwm11090

whats clear is the company recruitment ads say they pay all costs, im more concerned about the other £150/year which thier greedy eyes will be looking at next

They are paying all costs. The fee for the DBS is yours, not theirs. "Costs" are things that are associated directly with the role - mileage for example. The fact that you need the DBS only for this role is your choice because you choose only to work for them. You could work for someone else, or you could choose to go elsewhere. It is no different that union membership fees - you won't be expecting the employer to pay those as well?

And you said previously that they had confirmed that the other £150 will not be reclaimed - has that changed?