Parked outside the marked bay in large car park that was half empty?

MistyMoss

Hello

My partner's van was parked outside the marked bay (wheel over the dividing line between bays) in a half empty retail car park last week. The van was parked for about 10 minutes and was not parked fully within a marked bay. The area of the car park in which the van was parked was at the back of the car park and completely empty with no other cars nearby and dozens of empty spaces all around. This is clearly shown by the photographs taken by the warden at the time. As the keeper of the van, he today received a Parking Charge Notice from "Premier Park" for the sum of £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days of issued date, which is 9 days from today).

Is it worth appealing this or should he resign himself to losing over half a day's wages and pay? 

Mark_d

You partner broke the rule and so has to pay the penalty.  This is about the terms & conditions of the car park, not about whether there was any impact on anyone/anything else.

Coupon-mad

Mark_d said:

You partner broke the rule and so has to pay the penalty.  This is about the terms & conditions of the car park, not about whether there was any impact on anyone/anything else.

This is completely wrong. 

It isn't a penalty and nobody has to pay PPCs.  Please don't mislead posters on this board with incorrect advice or calling it a penalty.

This is a rogue industry. No sum is payable.  Also, it IS about whether there was impact on other car park users - that was part of the rationale in ParkingEye v Beavis.  Without that, there's no legitimate interest and it's an opportunist penalty.

Coupon-mad

MistyMoss said:

Hello

My partner's van was parked outside the marked bay (wheel over the dividing line between bays) in a half empty retail car park last week. The van was parked for about 10 minutes and was not parked fully within a marked bay. The area of the car park in which the van was parked was at the back of the car park and completely empty with no other cars nearby and dozens of empty spaces all around. This is clearly shown by the photographs taken by the warden at the time. As the keeper of the van, he today received a Parking Charge Notice from "Premier Park" for the sum of £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days of issued date, which is 9 days from today).

Is it worth appealing this or should he resign himself to losing over half a day's wages and pay? 

The correct advice is to ignore it. Ignore the £170 debt demands and come back if the keeper gets a LBC or court claim.

Read the 2nd & 4th posts of the NEWBIES thread and sit tight.  Only contact PP or their daft debt crawlers if you move house (common sense) as you need to see all the letters to just laugh at them.

DO NOT GET SPOOKED BY LETTERS.

TakeItAway

I completely agree with Coupon-Mad.

I had same claim made against me last year and I won in court resulting in them paying my costs. My defence was entirely based upon excellent information and advice from this forum. All the info, advice and support you need to succeed is here. Good luck.

MistyMoss

Thank you all for the advice. I'm inclined to agree that the rules were clearly stated (even if they had not been noticed or read) and that the way the vehicle was parked was in breach of them but to be issued with a parking charge notice for £100 seems excessive and disproportionate to the situation. I'm not sure that we would be comfortable with ignoring this notice or any subsequent letters and allowing it to progress to court stage though, that would be so stressful for both of us. Or mainly me as I would be the one doing all the research and worrying! 

Zbubuman

MistyMoss said:

Thank you all for the advice. I'm inclined to agree that the rules were clearly stated (even if they had not been noticed or read) and that the way the vehicle was parked was in breach of them but to be issued with a parking charge notice for £100 seems excessive and disproportionate to the situation. I'm not sure that we would be comfortable with ignoring this notice or any subsequent letters and allowing it to progress to court stage though, that would be so stressful for both of us. Or mainly me as I would be the one doing all the research and worrying! 

whilst it will involve some leg work and research. Most of these are easily beaten, even if they reach court stage. Help is at hand in this forum. Quoting one of my favorite books "Don't Panic", also make sure to always have a towel.

Coupon-mad

MistyMoss said:

Thank you all for the advice. I'm inclined to agree that the rules were clearly stated (even if they had not been noticed or read) and that the way the vehicle was parked was in breach of them but to be issued with a parking charge notice for £100 seems excessive and disproportionate to the situation. I'm not sure that we would be comfortable with ignoring this notice or any subsequent letters and allowing it to progress to court stage though,  

Yes you can.  You can do that. Several of my relatives & friends are doing exactly that and once you feel empowered, you'll laugh at the £170 threatograms.

We'll assist but don't show us the letters because they are laughable and we've seen it all before. Nothing bad happens, as long as you don't move house and not tell them.

DO NOT PAY A PRIVATE PARKING CHARGE.