First ever parking 'invoice' (euro car parks) - what's the current advice with these?

Burnsie1983

In all of my over 20 years of driving, I have never had a car parking 'invoice' before. 

The story goes that I met a friend I had not seen for a long time in a pub that I had not been to in a long time. This pob had a car park...

I went on a Wednesday evening, and as my friend was sat outside ready with a drink for me (non-alcoholic!), I simply forgot about sign in at the bar.

I was in the establishment all evening. My 'invoice' is for £45 if paid soonish

I'm not sure what the current best practice is with these invoices anymore. 

I fully understand that I did not adhere to the terms and conditions of the car park by forgetting to sign in with my registration at the bar. That being said, it was an evening, the car park was empty, and I was in the establishment all that time spending money with them... So £45 seems a tad steep for a mistake.

Is the done thing to pay these now? 

Coupon-mad

Ask the pub to cancel it. See Plan A in the Newbies thread.

Fruitcake

Plan A is always a complaint from the keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If that fails, then Plan B is to appeal using the template in blue text you will find in the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES. The NEWBIES should be read thoroughly before appealing. Check to see if the NTK is or is not PoFA compliant. If it is not, then add a one liner to that effect to your appeal and state that the keeper cannot therefore be held liable.

No, the done thing is not to pay. 

What do you mean by "three?" Do you have three invoices? The advice is the same for each and every one.

Burnsie1983

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If that fails, then Plan B is to appeal using the template in blue text you will find in the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES. The NEWBIES should be read thoroughly before appealing. Check to see if the NTK is or is not PoFA compliant. If it is not, then add a one liner to that effect to your appeal and state that the keeper cannot therefore be held liable.

No, the done thing is not to pay. 

What do you mean by "three?" Do you have three invoices? The advice is the same for each and every one.

Oops 'these'!

The pub was a Spoons! IF they cancel it, surely that doesn't effect the 'invoice'?

Gr1pr

The landowner or pub has a contract with the parking company, usually the business or landowner can cancel them if they want to, by a clause in their contract, so if the dog tells the tail to wag, it wags 

Doesn't matter if its a spoons or beefeater or Tetley, plan A is to get the dog to wag the tail and the tail wipes out the PCN invoice 

That PCN is probably £70 , not £45 , its only discounted if paid early, an early bird bribe , the discount is applied to the charge if paid, otherwise its a £70 parking charge notice 

Fruitcake

Burnsie1983 said:

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If that fails, then Plan B is to appeal using the template in blue text you will find in the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES. The NEWBIES should be read thoroughly before appealing. Check to see if the NTK is or is not PoFA compliant. If it is not, then add a one liner to that effect to your appeal and state that the keeper cannot therefore be held liable.

No, the done thing is not to pay. 

What do you mean by "three?" Do you have three invoices? The advice is the same for each and every one.

Oops 'these'!

The pub was a Spoons! IF they cancel it, surely that doesn't effect the 'invoice'?

If they cancel it, then it will be as if it never existed.

Check if the NTK is or is not PoFA compliant. If you are not sure then post both sides of it here. Redact all personal data but leave the dates showing.

Burnsie1983

Thanks for advice all

I'll give the intro threads a read tomorrow.

Have looked on the Spoons website and Facebook but can't find any contact details for the pub in question 

Umkomaas

As this is an ECP NtK, go and get some photos of their signs in the car park, they might come in handy if later down the track if you need to appeal to POPLA. In preparation for that, have a read of the 'POPLA Decisions' Announcements (near the top of the forum thread index), start at page 416 and read the decisions relating to ECP cases and the lack of prominence of the £100 charge on their signage. 

Burnsie1983

The pub 'were not able' to cancel PCN. Booooo

On to the next level of action I guess!

Le_Kirk

You won't be going back there then will you, nor will your friends and family  and you should tell the pub this!  If they keep this up, the pub will be closing due to lack of customers!

Burnsie1983

Hi all

I have rad the newbie thread, but, if I’m honest, tis all very confusing. 

I have received the NTK (see attached). The 'discount period' has now ended.

is now when I submit the blue 'one sit fits all' appeal? stating 

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Just a bit twitchy, of course (as is the point of these ‘charges’ I guess), as I cant really afford to pay anything more that the original ‘fine’ (again, which is the point I guess!!)