No dual fuel benefit for electricity only customers?

Netexporter

CrumpM said:

Why are electricity only customers penalised by not being able to benefit from similar deals like duel fuel customers get from energy suppliers?  Surely in this modern day where there are grants and incentives to go with air/ground source energy it is counter incentives ed to then tell customers they can't benefit from discounts like duel fuel customers can. If anything, it should be the other way round. 

I've also seen recently that MSE are opening the cheap energy club back up but can only provide comparisons for duel fuel customers. Again, a negative point for electricity only customers.

Has anybody seen energy deals that benefit just electricity customers that beat duel fuel deals?

Interested in people's thoughts.

Thanks.

The simple answer is to get a smart meter and go on one of the many TOU (time of use) tariffs that Octopus offer. I pay around half the SVT rate on Octopus Agile. There are many other tariffs that are tailored to what sort of heating you have, and/or whether you have solar, batteries or an EV. Something for everybody.

Krakkkers

If everyone gets a discount then no one gets a discount.

brig001

Electricity only users like us only pay one standing charge, so that’s quite a discount 😎

born_again

CrumpM said:

Why are electricity only customers penalised by not being able to benefit from similar deals like duel fuel customers get from energy suppliers?  Surely in this modern day where there are grants and incentives to go with air/ground source energy it is counter incentives ed to then tell customers they can't benefit from discounts like duel fuel customers can. If anything, it should be the other way round. 

I've also seen recently that MSE are opening the cheap energy club back up but can only provide comparisons for duel fuel customers. Again, a negative point for electricity only customers.

Has anybody seen energy deals that benefit just electricity customers that beat duel fuel deals?

Interested in people's thoughts.

Thanks.

Look at it like this.
Duel fuel = 2 standing charges 
Electric only = 1 standing charge 👍

So if you got a 10% discount, it would not even cover the extra standing charge.

Scot_39

brig001 said:

Electricity only users like us only pay one standing charge, so that’s quite a discount 😎

We also pay far higher SC - near double on average - more than in some regions  - dont see anyone paying c70p for gas.

My own lower region costs c56p from Monday - up 32p in last 2 years - the rise higher than the gas SC itself (which has only increased 5.3p in same period).

And on SR 4x per kWh for energy.

I dont see either of those as a reason to be grateful.

But you can save on electric only fixes as well - so not sure it's really an electric vs duel fuel issue.

Spoonie_Turtle

Scot_39 said:

brig001 said:

Electricity only users like us only pay one standing charge, so that’s quite a discount 😎

We also pay far higher SC - near double on average - more than in some regions  - dont see anyone paying c70p for gas.

My own lower region costs c56p from Monday - up 32p in last 2 years - the rise higher than the gas SC itself (which has only increased 5.3p in same period).

And on SR 4x per kWh for energy.

I dont see either of those as a reason to be grateful.

But you can save on electric only fixes as well - so not sure it's really an electric vs duel fuel issue.

But everyone with gas pays those high electricity SCs as well.  Electric-only means we're saving (currently) £114 not having that standing charge.
You have a point about the galling kWh rate disparity though.  Can't even be made up for overall by ASHP efficiency (air-to-air is efficient enough, and maybe GSHPs, but not the standard air-to-water ASHPs that are mostly being installed).

Irks me a bit that on top of that we all pay the whole amount of green policy costs in the electricity SC despite electric-only not using all the gas which is contributing more to the problem - I definitely think it would be fairer to move some of those costs over to gas.  Obviously we should still pay part of the costs whilst not all electricity is coming from renewables, but less than half of our electricity on average (about ⅓, in the past year) is from fossil fuels.

Scot_39

My point is they only pay £115 - not the same as electric - which is now upto c£260 per year (@ 71.2p a day) for millions of homes.

But to be fair in past - and suspect still - some of the levies - like SoLR that added £68 to cap in Apr 22 - went on gas units not standing charges.

And they aren't having to build 100s of miles of gas pipes - to handle electric from new renewables farms - built 100s of miles away from consumers.

Spoonie_Turtle

Scot_39 said:

My point is they only pay £115 - not the same as electric - which is now upto c£260 per year (@ 71.2p a day) for millions of homes.

Yes but they also pay the electric standing charge as well.

Scot_39 said:

And they aren't having to build 100s of miles of gas pipes - to handle electric from new renewables farms - built 100s of miles away from consumers.

That is a good point.

brig001

I didn’t know that gas standing charge was so much lower than for electricity, and electricity is going up much more than gas in April too

Quick calculation and I would save about £200 per year on gas, but I’m on economy 7

Brian

Phones4Chris

Gerry1 said:

More to the point is that many suppliers refuse to sell you gas unless you also switch your electricity to them.

That's an anti-competive practice that makes it harder for new suppliers to enter the market, e.g. Fuse, who only supply electricity...............

British Gas will take you for Gas only.