Parking Charge Notice - non POFA - appeal rejected...
I received a hospital grounds parking charge notice dated 14/03/2024 for an alleged violation dated 31/12/23. I was not the driver.
I appealed on their website (I ticked ''keeper/non driver) stating the following:
''I have seen no evidence of a contravention and liability is denied.
Therefore, I suggest that you contact the driver. As there is no legal requirement placed on the registered keeper to identify the driver, I will not be doing so. I require you to cancel the parking charge and remove my personal information from your database."
Their (PCPEA, member of the IPC) response was:
''Thank you for your appeal received on 20/03/2024 regarding the above detailed Parking Charge Notice (PCN). We have reviewed the case and considered the comments that you have made, together with the evidence that we are holding. Our records show that the notice was correctly issued as your vehicle was parked in breach of the clearly displayed Terms and
I have it in black and white that they are admitting their NTK does not conform to PoFa, so they cannot hold the keeper responsible for their charges.
Do I respond again to state I have complained to the hosital and DVLA, and then wait for this to go away (ignoring the debt collectors letters), or is there something else I should also be doing?
Thanks in advance!
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The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident.
No it's not, especially when you were not the driver.
Why not give the useless IAS a whirl, stating that you were not the driver and the notice was non-POFA worded, and the operator is legally wrong to try to 'assume' the keeper was the driver. Especially in a case where the appellant was not the driver (and can prove you were elsewhere?).
Append the NTK (both sides) and any proof you were not driving and upload the whole transcripts of Excel v Smith and VCS v Edward (both) - search the forum.
Should be fun to see the IAS twist it in favour of the PPC which they probably will, with yet another bizarre anti-consumer 'decision'!
Worth the punt, purely because it is legally winnable and 20% of PPCs give up at IAS.
If not, ignore them. See them in court.
Please show us both sides of the PCN.
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Thank you!!! I will do that and report back asap0
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Absolutely no burden of proof required. As you are unable to identify the driver at the time then no legal means is possible to hold you liable as registered keeper. All they are trying to do is make you inadvertently identify the driver.
"If a PCN is not PoFA 2012 compliant, the PPC cannot legally transfer liability for the parking charge from the driver to the Registered Keeper. By not disclosing the driver's identity, you can prevent the PPC from pursuing the Registered Keeper for payment."
Notice the lack of holding you, the keeper, responsible for the parking charge in their psudo-garbage, just contacting you to make you aware of it. Not that you're legally responsible for the actions of the driver, whoever they were:
"As you have been identified as the registered keeper of the vehicle, we are contacting you in enforcing this charge as authorised by the landowner of this site."
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Plan A is always a complaint to the PALS/the head of the hospital trust/CEO and your MP, reminding them of the government's NHS parking principles. Have you done this yet?
NHS car parking guidance 2022 for NHS trusts and NHS foundation trusts - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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Coupon-mad said:The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident.
No it's not, especially when you were not the driver.
Why not give the useless IAS a whirl, stating that you were not the driver and the notice was non-POFA worded, and the operator is legally wrong to try to 'assume' the keeper was the driver. Especially in a case where the appellant was not the driver (and can prove you were elsewhere?).
Append the NTK (both sides) and any proof you were not driving and upload the whole transcripts of Excel v Smith and VCS v Edward (both) - search the forum.
Should be fun to see the IAS twist it in favour of the PPC which they probably will, with yet another bizarre anti-consumer 'decision'!
Worth the punt, purely because it is legally winnable and 20% of PPCs give up at IAS.
If not, ignore them. See them in court.
Please show us both sides of the PCN.
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Fruitcake said:Plan A is always a complaint to the PALS/the head of the hospital trust/CEO and your MP, reminding them of the government's NHS parking principles. Have you done this yet?
NHS car parking guidance 2022 for NHS trusts and NHS foundation trusts - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Moola123 said:Please show us both sides of the PCN.Thanks. It's only Parkshield; nothing to worry about. But do see if PALS will cancel it first when you complain as keeper.Then do this:Coupon-mad said:"The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident."No it's not, especially when you were not the driver.
Why not give the useless IAS a whirl, stating that you were not the driver and the notice was non-POFA worded, and the operator is legally wrong to try to 'assume' the keeper was the driver. Especially in a case where the appellant was not the driver (and can prove you were elsewhere?).
Append the NTK (both sides) and any proof you were not driving and upload the whole transcripts of Excel v Smith and VCS v Edward (both) - search the forum.
Should be fun to see the IAS twist it in favour of the PPC which they probably will, with yet another bizarre anti-consumer 'decision'!
Worth the punt, purely because it is legally winnable and 20% of PPCs give up at IAS.
If not, ignore them. See them in court.
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Why not also email a complaint to the operator informing them that their statement, "The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident." is mendacious. Should they be intellectually malnourished enough to ever try and issue a county court claim based on that statement, you will refer to it to the court as evidence of vexatiousness and unreasonable behaviour.
You should also report them to the ICO as their privacy policy on their website contains no contact information, whatsoever, for their DPO.2 -
nopcns said:Why not also email a complaint to the operator informing them that their statement, "The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident." is mendacious. Should they be intellectually malnourished enough to ever try and issue a county court claim based on that statement, you will refer to it to the court as evidence of vexatiousness and unreasonable behaviour.
You should also report them to the ICO as their privacy policy on their website contains no contact information, whatsoever, for their DPO.0
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