Parking Charge Notice for parking in my allocated space

10shinhan

Coupon-mad said:

My goodness those lawyers are clueless!

We win almost every case here, and there is zero risk in defending a small claim.  You want them to sue you. That's how the scam ends.

Instead of asking online lawyers, read the Second post if the NEWBIES thread.

AND of course it's not too late to get together with the other affected and angry leaseholders and get the MA to throw out the parking firm.  That's why I showed you that link.

Call a meeting. Start a WhatsApp group about the parking firm and get them removed.  I'm willing to bet there will be LOADS of people who are affected by PCNs and are angry like you.  Send everyone here.

NO-ONE SHOULD PAY.

Thanks for all your help. Sorry I missed that newbies post, there's a lot of excellent info there.

I've done what you said and got the whatsapp group members from the block, and they are not happy.

I'm going to write a letter to the MC and explain bringing in CPM was illegitimate, unless they can prove that 75% was approved. And have all the residents that support it, sign it.

Should I complain directly to the Parking company? 

Coupon-mad

Nope I'd ignore them.

Tell everyone NOT to pay and to all come here - defending a court claim costs and risks nothing.  No CCJ even if they lose (bet they didn't know that) because they'd just pay less than the claim and it then has no effect on credit rating.

Fruitcake

10shinhan said:

This is the advice I got from a just ask lawyer :

"OK I can certainly understand your frustration regarding the parking permits, but at the end of the day to is only a piece of paper in the window. If the property manager,ent company made the decision to bring in managed parking the for complex and the conditions pf this are to display a permit to be Abe to park in the car park then sadly that would apply to all concerned

If this was a new rule and permits had not been issued then you have a valid defence to raise to the parking company.

However if you simply decoded to ignore the requirement for the permit to be displayed then the tickets are valid and can be enforced"

Are these people just covering themselves? this is the second one who is saying I don't have a chance.

That's an answer from a Chat Bot, not a hoomun bean. This forum is the best place to get the best and most up to date advice. Look for no other.

Refer the MC to the L & T Act as already advised. Tell everyone in your Whatsapp group to complain and make the same reference, advise them all to say they only showed permits as a curtesy, not to signify approval of the parking scheme, tell them all to opt out of said scheme and remove any implied right of access to their demised spaces (if applicable) and remove implied right of access to their vehicles (no right to attach NTDs).
All should warn the MC that they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agents, so will be become joint defendants in any counterclaim should the PPC issue court claims against residents.

This should all be done in writing as individual residents, not as a joint petition. A dozen complaints will have more effect than a dozen names on a single complaint.

Everyone should also complain to their MP.  I have found this website very useful in the past.

WriteToThem - Email your Councillor, MP, MSP, MS, MLA or London Assembly Member for free

A bunch of complaints all about the same subject all arriving at the same time will hopefully jolt your MP into doing something.

10shinhan

Fruitcake said:

10shinhan said:

This is the advice I got from a just ask lawyer :

"OK I can certainly understand your frustration regarding the parking permits, but at the end of the day to is only a piece of paper in the window. If the property manager,ent company made the decision to bring in managed parking the for complex and the conditions pf this are to display a permit to be Abe to park in the car park then sadly that would apply to all concerned

If this was a new rule and permits had not been issued then you have a valid defence to raise to the parking company.

However if you simply decoded to ignore the requirement for the permit to be displayed then the tickets are valid and can be enforced"

Are these people just covering themselves? this is the second one who is saying I don't have a chance.

That's an answer from a Chat Bot, not a hoomun bean. This forum is the best place to get the best and most up to date advice. Look for no other.

Refer the MC to the L & T Act as already advised. Tell everyone in your Whatsapp group to complain and make the same reference, advise them all to say they only showed permits as a curtesy, not to signify approval of the parking scheme, tell them all to opt out of said scheme and remove any implied right of access to their demised spaces (if applicable) and remove implied right of access to their vehicles (no right to attach NTDs).
All should warn the MC that they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agents, so will be become joint defendants in any counterclaim should the PPC issue court claims against residents.

This should all be done in writing as individual residents, not as a joint petition. A dozen complaints will have more effect than a dozen names on a single complaint.

Everyone should also complain to their MP.  I have found this website very useful in the past.

WriteToThem - Email your Councillor, MP, MSP, MS, MLA or London Assembly Member for free

A bunch of complaints all about the same subject all arriving at the same time will hopefully jolt your MP into doing something.

Thanks for the advise. Is there a good template for complaining to the MP?

Coupon-mad

No we REALLY don't like templates.  Seriously, they are terrible for complaints.  Don't use ChatGPT either.  Shocking English.

Write it in your own words.

10shinhan

Coupon-mad said:

No we REALLY don't like templates.  Seriously, they are terrible for complaints.  Don't use ChatGPT either.  Shocking English.

Write it in your own words.

Thank you!

nopcns

Noter that in the Landlord and Tenant Act there are two conditions that must be met for a change to a lease... 75% of all leaseholders must agree and no more than  10% of all leaseholders disagree. If either of those conditions are not met, there can be no change to the lease. Also, it is not just a simple "meeting". There has to be a recorded ballot. So, you need to demand evidence of any ballot if they try to fob you off with some story about a "meeting" where it was agreed to alter the lease and allow a third party to rent out your demised parking space for £100 a pop.