Neighbours parking on land.

bingo2024

Hi to whoever reads this.

I am writing this thread to help myself make my mind up about a plot of land that is on the side of my house and in the deeds is highlighted red.

So the issue I have is that the neighbours who live at the back of my house all have their cars parked on it, however I have let them park their and came up with a verbal agreement for now they can park their cars as long as my space is never taken.

But the problem is now what I feel is taking the Mickey a little bit is the pile up of the cars on my land now, I know whoever is reading this is probably thinking well you were asking for it, however I worked away at the time so I didn't want to cause unnecessary drama for my fiancee whilst I was away.

I was thinking of maybe charging them to park on the land, rather then moving them as at this moment in time me and the fiancee haven't got any plans with the land yet, however in the future we will do, any suggestipns would be great and thank you for time.

tizerbelle

Take your land back - get them off it - the longer they use it, the harder it will be.  Even if you don't have any plans for it just now.  If you can't fence it off then get bollards/boulders or something to stop them parking on it.

user1977

bingo2024 said:

I am writing this thread to help myself make my mind up about a plot of land that is on the side of my house and in the deeds is highlighted red.

What do the deeds say about the area "highlighted red" though? Do you own it? Does anyone else have rights over it?

motorman99

I wouldn’t start charging them tbh….it kind of creates a right for them that you might have a job to take away from them when required 

ThisIsWeird

bingo2024 said:

Hi to whoever reads this.

I am writing this thread to help myself make my mind up about a plot of land that is on the side of my house and in the deeds is highlighted red.

So the issue I have is that the neighbours who live at the back of my house all have their cars parked on it, however I have let them park their and came up with a verbal agreement for now they can park their cars as long as my space is never taken.

But the problem is now what I feel is taking the Mickey a little bit is the pile up of the cars on my land now, I know whoever is reading this is probably thinking well you were asking for it, however I worked away at the time so I didn't want to cause unnecessary drama for my fiancee whilst I was away.

I was thinking of maybe charging them to park on the land, rather then moving them as at this moment in time me and the fiancee haven't got any plans with the land yet, however in the future we will do, any suggestipns would be great and thank you for time.

Hi Bingo.

This is your plot of land, outlined in red on your property deeds? And you currently have no use for it? What function does it perform? Any future plans? What could it be used for - an extended garden, a garden room/office, or even another building plot STPP?

You originally allowed some neighbours to park on there, why? Because you are kind and thoughtful? You thought it would be appreciated? What's changed? What is now 'taking the Mick'?

The original agreement was verbal? With whom - every single individual neighbour who now parks on it? And why do these neighbours find it so useful - what alternatives do they have? How is 'your' parking space better than the alternatives available to them?

And, do you have - or can you come up with - 'good' reasons to justify now cracking down on this a bit? Or have you made a rod for your own back, with the risk of tetchy neighbours if you suddenly decide - for no obvious reason - to consider what you were previously happy to allow, to now be 'mick taking'?

At the very least, I think I'd clarify the arrangement beyond the previous 'verbal'. I think a sign to the effect of, say, "Land is property of No 5. Parking is permitted on here only with the permission of the owner, and no liability for loss or damage is implied or given." You could then see who makes contact with you; decent folk should, and ask if it's still ok. You can then handle this how you like, but be it prepared. Tell them you've been told that you may be liable if anything happens on that land, and that concerns you - you're carrying all the risk, but it's of no actual benefit to you. And/or, make it clear you didn't expect so many cars on there, and you don't even know who some of them belong to - so that means you cannot have 'given permission' to these car owners, and that could be even more legally dodgy if anything happens. (All of this is true - you have been told it could be an issue - I've just done so, even tho' I'm a legal ignoramus.) Can you point out other potential issues - it's causing damage to the ground, inconvenience to you personally as you cannot even access much of the land with the cars being parked there? Whatever. 

And, any car owner who doesn't make contact with you, you can consider leaving a note on their screen. To what effect, I don't know - perhaps just pointing out you don't know who they are, so have clearly not given them permission to be there - so please do not come back. It's then their call whether to ask you for permission.

If anyone you have left a note for does not make contact, then there's your excuse right there - make it clear you have no option but to close off access to all, since you cannot easily force the 'unknown' off your land. Peer-pressure can be useful...

I think you may need to be careful if you start charging folk to park there. I understand it's a done thing to hire out your driveway in congested cities, for example, but where does that cross into being a paid-for carpark? Ie, like the difference between rent-a-room and a tenancy. Answer - I don't know.

It might even be dodgy if you point out the damage to the ground, and some folk offer to contribute towards this, perhaps as a monthly contribution. Could that carry implied access rights to these folk in law? Answer - I don't know.

Take care.

eddddy

motorman99 said:

I wouldn’t start charging them tbh….it kind of creates a right for them that you might have a job to take away from them when required 

I'd think it was the opposite. If the OP charges them it creates, a clear contract. The OP's terms might be that the parking charge is £x per car per week, and can be cancelled at any time (or with one weeks notice, or whatever.)

Emmia

eddddy said:

motorman99 said:

I wouldn’t start charging them tbh….it kind of creates a right for them that you might have a job to take away from them when required 

I'd think it was the opposite. If the OP charges them it creates, a clear contract. The OP's terms might be that the parking charge is £x per car per week, and can be cancelled at any time (or with one weeks notice, or whatever.)

I think if you start charging them you run the risk of creating a lease especially if you don't use the land yourself. I would potentially see a solicitor about this to ensure you don't create a lease/tenancy inadvertently - I think you want it to be a licence.

Personally I think you need to start using the land - perhaps park your car there.

I'd pop round and see your neighbours and explain that whilst you've let them park on the land, that they won't be able to do so any more as you've decided to convert it into garden... And then fence /bollard it before converting.

sevenhills

You need a large sign, similar to the ones in private car parks.

No parking without the landowners permission, then at least it will make them think.

Get your own sign made, to suit your circumstances.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171062974430?itmmeta=01HRM6RW99Q3XFHP6EQ1Z5KZ6E&hash=item27d425d7de:g:iioAAOxy4XNSSb2g&itmprp=enc:AQAIAAAA4Oo8DIjWgtRpv3pvo2clbknJstFk9QImgm+ibBd2C0hitKktb0reatTuNLAAGdcrhzIudcROzDSARQO8bto/hDyu4ZynI1bmjfaD0TbzELlxHnEW6ZSTK26UJ2PtPNLEZLcshbIe+0Y0Nu/3fAi+EWKTtc9ZDZR4tjLOcaJLx93IoHr74FtdmcOlTobAwf3Zp5tPkhGt2rFQLAnV95wx9tbDkGnRtqvh9RnFGWPuR8ufGF7+vq1B5VLo7eu36AZ30tP/FrgAwopjXMnSpNWvmGdjkmlTJ05QFOxp5ePOXBUT|tkp:Bk9SR_TE44bFYw

propertyrental

user1977 said:

bingo2024 said:

I am writing this thread to help myself make my mind up about a plot of land that is on the side of my house and in the deeds is highlighted red.

What do the deeds say about the area "highlighted red" though? Do you own it? Does anyone else have rights over it?

This. Answer?..,,.,,,,,

If it's your land and there;s no ROW /Right to Park, then withdraw your verbal permission.

Ideally do this amicably (over tea and cake?), and then install something to prevent incursions: fence, Large boulders, Bollards or even......

https://bollardsecurity.co.uk/

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Cw0QJU8ro

bingo2024

Wow! Thank you everyone for the responses! Really appreciate it! 

eddddy

Emmia said:

eddddy said:

motorman99 said:

I wouldn’t start charging them tbh….it kind of creates a right for them that you might have a job to take away from them when required 

I'd think it was the opposite. If the OP charges them it creates, a clear contract. The OP's terms might be that the parking charge is £x per car per week, and can be cancelled at any time (or with one weeks notice, or whatever.)

I think if you start charging them you run the risk of creating a lease especially if you don't use the land yourself. I would potentially see a solicitor about this to ensure you don't create a lease/tenancy inadvertently - I think you want it to be a licence.

I think you're getting super-confused. 

Charging somebody a fee for parking their car doesn't create a tenancy or lease.

If you drive, I imagine you've parked your car in lots of places that charge a fee (like car parks). And you haven't created a lease or tenancy.

(Even if you have a season ticket, or pay weekly or pay monthly or pay yearly for the parking, it won't create a lease or tenancy.)