Transitional Protection TC to UC

thishillycity

Moved to UC with a Migration Notice. Note in Journal said we would get Transitional Protection. The first award has come through and hey ho no Transitional Protection has been approved. Much less ££££ ! Anyone else had this issue ? 

WelshPaul

When they generated our payment award we also had no Transitional Protection payment. They added it 48 hours later without us saying or doing anything. The Transitional Protection payment was paid to my bank separately. It went in on Friday, and we received our UC payment today.

peteuk

I am sure i have read that TP is added before deductions.  Take a look at your UC payment letter and see what is added and what is removed.  Im no expert but screen shots (with personal details removed) will help others more knowledgable to assist you.

thishillycity

This is what they sent us in the Journal

peteuk

Sorry if this is info you already know. 

Savings - anything above £6K and below £16K has a £4.35 deduction per £250 pounds. Anything above £16K will end your claim (Unless this was the case as transition) 
Wage - any income (unless self employed) reduces UC by 55p per pound
Carers allowance - is taken off £1 per £1 (I believe - happy to be corrected) put then paid separately.   

The amount paid is due to your circumstances. TC was calculated yearly and then divided into 13 payments, whereas UC is calculated on a monthly basis. 

They is no mention of TP at present, might be worth calling them and asking for a review.  

poppy12345

peteuk said:

 

Savings - anything above £6K and below £16K has a £4.35 deduction per £250 pounds. 

For the avoidance of doubt it's It every £250 or part thereof. 

peteuk said:

Wage - any income (unless self employed) reduces UC by 55p per pound

Any earnings (including those that are self employed) received reduces your UC by 55% unless entitled to the work allowance. 

peteuk

poppy12345 said:

peteuk said:

 

Savings - anything above £6K and below £16K has a £4.35 deduction per £250 pounds. 

For the avoidance of doubt it's It every £250 or part thereof. 

peteuk said:

Wage - any income (unless self employed) reduces UC by 55p per pound

Any earnings (including those that are self employed) received reduces your UC by 55% unless entitled to the work allowance. 

Was not fully concentrating sorry, i was going to mention the self employed MIF and start up year, seems my brain was working faster than my typing…

One thing I’ve always got wrong is the capital over £6K,  at £6001 does that decrease UC by £4.35 or does it start at £6250?

HillStreetBlues

peteuk said:

One thing I’ve always got wrong is the capital over £6K,  at £6001 does that decrease UC by £4.35 or does it start at £6250?

Starts at £6000.01 so £6000.01 to £6250 is £4.35  and so on.

NedS

For the avoidance of any doubt, you have received transitional protection - your right to claim UC has been protected under managed migration despite having capital over £16k which would otherwise, without transitional protection, mean you would not be entitled to claim UC.

I assume you meant the Transitional Protection element (payment) part of UC? As this is not showing on your statement, that either means they have calculated it and it is zero (as your notional UC award was higher that your TC award), or they have not calculated it yet.

Drop a line in your journal and ask them if they have calculated your TP element yet, and if so how much it is each month. If they have calculated it to be zero, ask for a copy of the calculation (which is available to the agent on the M2UC service). We can then check that it is correct for you.

Spoonie_Turtle

NedS said:

I assume you meant the Transitional Protection element (payment) part of UC? As this is not showing on your statement, that either means they have calculated it and it is zero (as your notional UC award was higher that your TC award), or they have not calculated it yet.

I think we've had someone post a UC statement in a thread here that had the transitional protection element stated as £0.00.  If I'm remembering correctly, then that would imply the TP element here hasn't been calculated at all.

NedS

Spoonie_Turtle said:

NedS said:

I assume you meant the Transitional Protection element (payment) part of UC? As this is not showing on your statement, that either means they have calculated it and it is zero (as your notional UC award was higher that your TC award), or they have not calculated it yet.

I think we've had someone post a UC statement in a thread here that had the transitional protection element stated as £0.00.  If I'm remembering correctly, then that would imply the TP element here hasn't been calculated at all.

If that's the case, then yes it would.

Unfortunately it's not uncommon for the TP not to have been calculated within the first AP. Sometimes the ToDo to calculate the TP element that the CM completes does not generate on the system (a known issue), and because the ToDo task is missing, it doesn't show on their dashboard (it can't show what isn't there). I have no idea how they pick these cases up that slip through the net - it could just be the claimant complaining at the end of the first AP, or that something else has happened on the claim requiring the CM's attention, and whilst in the claim they notice the TP has not been calculated yet and raise a support case ticket for it to get it fixed. I've seen claims that are 3-4 months old and still haven't had the TP calculated, presumably where the claimant is completely unaware.