Can anyone get their head around this situation?

RHemmings

Flugelhorn said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Zinger549 said:

IT says sold (STC) on Rightmove so looks like someone s taken a punt

Possible the a hole blocking access or someone with a helicopter. 

would make sense that the only person to buy it would be the neighbour, will no doubt now try to get the occupants out, create access and then resell

That's the first thing I thought. Bargain for the neighbour if they can do that. 

Section62

Flugelhorn said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Zinger549 said:

IT says sold (STC) on Rightmove so looks like someone s taken a punt

Possible the a hole blocking access or someone with a helicopter. 

would make sense that the only person to buy it would be the neighbour, will no doubt now try to get the occupants out, create access and then resell

The title plan on the rightmove listing shows that in addition to the existing access road there is only one field separating this plot from the highway with that field being part of a different title to the one which includes the access road.  If the landowner (I'll call them '2') of the field isn't the neighbour in question, then there could have been another bidder and/or several, if landowner 2 had indicated they would be open to allowing access through their land.

An access road along the field edge would have minimal impact on landowner 2, and with a plot of 4.88a the farmhouse buyer has the flexibility to offer a land-swap in addition to a cash payment to help make a potential deal more attractive.

martindow

There was a situation some years ago involving a large house with several acres of land and a cottage.  At the time I was considering buying the cottage until it became clear that the owner of the house had defaulted on payments and had been forced to sell the cottage.  It was sold on frequently as he created difficulties with the access and apparently threatening behaviour.

The bank repossessed the main house and tried to sell it.  The 'owner' refused to leave or provide access for viewings and according to locals there were incidents with a shotgun and police being called.  Not surprisingly, the bank failed to find a buyer and eventually cut its losses.  It was sold back to the man who had never left at far below its normal value.

I've no idea how matters continued subsequently.

k12479

RHemmings said:

Flugelhorn said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Zinger549 said:

IT says sold (STC) on Rightmove so looks like someone s taken a punt

Possible the a hole blocking access or someone with a helicopter. 

would make sense that the only person to buy it would be the neighbour, will no doubt now try to get the occupants out, create access and then resell

That's the first thing I thought. Bargain for the neighbour if they can do that. 

I'm wondering if there's more of a backstory involving the neighbour - owned the property prior to it being repossessed and being belligerent, sold off the plot for building on or owned the house and sold it off.

It seems a bit strange to not have formalised access yet allowing a water connection.

adzy77

Yeah, i've found a link to when it was last up for sale in 2019 - here

At that point access was included "The property does share the access with the adjoining equestrian centre and appropriate repairing obligations will be included."

eddddy

It all sounds very intriguing! I took a look at the history.


FWIW, it looks like the farmhouse was part of a 78 acre equestrian centre. It looks like it's accessed from the equestrian centre's access road. The whole equestrian centre (including the farmhouse) was for sale in 2014.
https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/3009372/doc_0_0.pdf

The equestrian centre still seems to be operating.

• Then just the farmhouse and  4.88 acres was listed for sale in 2018 with a guide price of £400k   https://www.facebook.com/Bagshawsest1871/videos/844630252409134/

• Then put up for auction on 24th Oct 2023. Unsold (looks like the auctioneer tried to start the bidding at £355k) https://online.auctionhouse.co.uk/lot/details/105226

• Then put up for auction on 9th Jan 2024. Auctioneer started bidding at £120k. Sold for £158.75K (3 bidders seemed to fight for it.) https://online.auctionhouse.co.uk/lot/details/109574

It's interesting that...

Prior to completion, the adjoining owner will disconnect the existing water supply prior to the Property.

Why "prior to completion"? Why hasn't the adjoining owner disconnected it already, if they believe they have the right?

And why hasn't the adjoining land owner taken out an injunction to stop the current occupiers using the access road?

It sounds like the occupants and the adjoining land owner could be connected in some way.

RHemmings

k12479 said:

RHemmings said:

Flugelhorn said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Zinger549 said:

IT says sold (STC) on Rightmove so looks like someone s taken a punt

Possible the a hole blocking access or someone with a helicopter. 

would make sense that the only person to buy it would be the neighbour, will no doubt now try to get the occupants out, create access and then resell

That's the first thing I thought. Bargain for the neighbour if they can do that. 

I'm wondering if there's more of a backstory involving the neighbour - owned the property prior to it being repossessed and being belligerent, sold off the plot for building on or owned the house and sold it off.

It seems a bit strange to not have formalised access yet allowing a water connection.

I remember another thread here where a neighbour was deliberately being the 'neighbour from hell' when people turned up to view a house, because the neighbour wanted to buy the house and seemingly wanted to scare other people off. 

FreeBear

eddddy said: And why hasn't the adjoining land owner taken out an injunction to stop the current occupiers using the access road?

Looking at the OS maps, it would appear that there is a public footpath running along the access road to Gooseneck Farm (the building in question). So pedestrian access exists, just no rights by vehicle.

LightFlare

adzy77 said:

Yeah, i've found a link to when it was last up for sale in 2019 - here

At that point access was included "The property does share the access with the adjoining equestrian centre and appropriate repairing obligations will be included."

I wonder if this might be the root cause.

Would love to know the full details (just because I'm nosy)

Skiddaw1

LightFlare said:

adzy77 said:

Yeah, i've found a link to when it was last up for sale in 2019 - here

At that point access was included "The property does share the access with the adjoining equestrian centre and appropriate repairing obligations will be included."

I wonder if this might be the root cause.

Would love to know the full details (just because I'm nosy)

Oh me too!! If anyone finds out anything else please do update.