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  • Coupon-mad
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    A keeper can't lose v APCOA at POPLA.
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  • Le_Kirk
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    As your vehicle was parked in contravention of the terms and conditions of the site we are satisfied that the notice was correctly issued in accordance with the BPA code of practice, and therefore not able to waiver waive the charge on this occasion.
    In my opinion, you should be awarded the win as APCOA cannot use the English language properly and this is not the first time they have made this error! 
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 19 May at 12:08PM
    I love it that PPCs don't know the difference between waive and waiver.

    I recall ANPR Ltd having the wrong word on their signs back in the day; they were a source of great amusement here. Now we have DCB Legal, resplendent with the phrase "had you of". How do these staff get a law degree? 
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  • FunnyFakingSexDirt
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    edited 19 May at 10:53AM
    Umkomaas said:
    You should win as long as you construct your PoFA non-compliance clearly. Chances are that once APCOA see your POPLA appeal, they will withdraw. 
    Great, thanks. I will do that today. 
    Can you offer any advice on how to construct my PoFA non-compliance clearly?

    edit: I have followed @Coupon-mad's advice from a different thread, to search APCOA Airport POPLA, and have read numerous posts hoping I could figure out how to word my POPLA appeal myself. But I am concerned this is slightly above my capabilities, and i'm still unsure which grounds I should be arguing.

    If it is at all useful, I am happy to post the notice i received. But essentially it is exactly the same as the OP of this thread (car stops at zebra crossing at BHX, people cross, passenger enters car).

    Thanks in advance.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Just pick out and copy the relevant pre-written POPLA appeal points in the third post of the NEWBIES thread.
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  • FunnyFakingSexDirt
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    edited 19 May at 2:00PM
    Just pick out and copy the relevant pre-written POPLA appeal points in the third post of the NEWBIES thread.
    Thank you. 

    I have read through the 3rd post in the Newbies thread again, and have deemed these three points to be relevant to my case:
    1. Signage,
    2. The individual is not the driver,
    3. Landowner Authority.

    Will using the templates, linked in Post 3 of the newbies thread, suffice. And is the above order correct?

    I also came across this example from Kitty25 that has 10 separate points in their appeal. Should I be adding more to mine?
  • Coupon-mad
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    I would use her points 1-8 because you're missing the relevant points for Airport cases.
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  • I would use her points 1-8 because you're missing the relevant points for Airport cases.
    As a reminder the PCN was for "Dropping off of picking up outside designated areas" - essentially an opportunistic jump into the back of the car when waiting at a zebra crossing, whilst people crossed (as showed in the pictures on the PCN.)

    This is what I have got (using Kitty's brilliantly put together template).
    - I took out 9-10 as suggested. 
    - I also shortened point 4 as some was irrelevant to my case. 
    - I also question whether point 8 should be left in as it mentions parking spaces?

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    A notice to me, the registered keeper was issued on 12th May 2025 for an alleged contravention of ‘Dropping off or picking up outside designated areas’’ at ‘Outside Diamond House, at Birmingham Airport on the 4th May 2025. I am writing to you as the registered keeper and would be grateful if you would please consider my appeal for the following reasons.


    1) APCOA not using POFA 2012

    2) Airport Act 1986

    3) Amount demanded is a penalty

    4) Non-compliance with requirements and timetable set out in Schedule 4 of POFA 2012

    5) Not relevant Land under POFA 2012; no registered keeper liability (ref POPLA case Steve Macallan 6062356150)

    6) The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge. (ref POPLA case Carly Law 6061796103)

    7) Misleading and unclear signage

    8) No landowner contract nor legal standing to form contracts or charge drivers


    1) From their rejection of my initial appeal, it appears that APCOA are attempting to claim the charge is liable to them under airport byelaws. I reject this and put them strictly to proof on which byelaw they claim is broken, and in any case, why this would result in an obligation to pay APCOA.


    2) Airport byelaws do not apply to any road to which the public have access, as they are subject to road traffic enactments.


    Airport Act 1986

    65 Control of road traffic at designated airports

    (1) Subject to the provisions of this section, the road traffic enactments shall apply in relation to roads which are within a designated airport but to which the public does not have access as they apply in relation to roads to which the public has access.


    Both the Airport Act and Airport byelaws say that byelaws only apply to roads to which road traffic enactments do not apply


    3) Amount demanded is a penalty and is punitive, contravening the Consumer Rights Act 2015. The authority on this is ParkingEye v Beavis. That case was characterised by clear and ample signage where the motorist had time to read, and then consider the signage and decide whether to accept or not. In this case the signage was neither clear not ample, and the motorist had not time to read the signage, let alone consider it, as the charge was applied instantly the vehicle stopped. The signage cannot be read safely from a moving vehicle.


    4) The BPA code of practice says '20.14 when you serve a Notice to Keeper, you must also include information telling the keeper the ‘reasonable cause’ you had for asking the DVLA for their details.' The PCN does not provide this information; this does not comply with the BPA code point 20.14.


    5) Airport land is not 'relevant land' as it is already covered by statutory bylaws and so is specifically excluded from 'keeper liability' under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. As I am the registered keeper I am not legally liable as this Act does not apply on this land. I put the Operator to strict proof otherwise if they disagree with this point and would require them to show evidence including documentary proof from the Airport Authority that this land is not already covered by bylaws.

    POPLA assessor Steve Macallan found in 6062356150 in September 2016, that land under statutory control cannot be considered ‘relevant land’ for the purposes of POFA 2012.

    ‘As the site is not located on ‘relevant land’, the operator is unable to rely on POFA 2012 in order to transfer liability to the hirer. Additionally, as I am not satisfied the appellant was the driver, I am unable to conclude that the operator issued the PCN correctly, and I must allow this appeal.’


    6) In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.


    Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay. I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.


    As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains I am only the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.


    The burden of proof rests with the Operator, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.


    Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:


    Understanding keeper liability


    “There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.


    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass."


    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.


    This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:

    "I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal."


    The same conclusion was reached by POPLA Assessor Steve Macallan, quoted in appeal point 5 above.


    7) The alleged contravention, according to APCOA, is in 'breach of the terms and conditions of use of the Car Park/Private Road/Roads'. It would however appear that signage at this location does not comply with road traffic regulations or their permitted variations and as such are misleading - they are unable to be seen by a driver and certainly could not be read without stopping, and therefore do not comply with the BPA code of practice. APCOA are required to show evidence to the contrary.


    I would draw the assessor's attention to the 'No Stopping Zones' section of the Chief Adjudicator's First Annual POPLA Report 2013: "It is therefore very important that any prohibition is clearly marked; bearing in mind that such signage has to be positioned, and be of such a size, as to be read by a motorist without having to stop to look at it. Signs on red routes, unlike those indicating most parking restrictions, are generally positioned to face oncoming traffic, rather than parallel to it."


    8) I do not believe that the Operator has demonstrated a proprietary interest in the land, because they have no legal possession which would give APCOA Parking Ltd any right to offer parking spaces, let alone allege a contract with third party customers of the lawful owner/occupiers. In addition, APCOA Parking Ltd’s lack of title in this land means they have no legal standing to allege trespass or loss, if that is the basis of their charge. I require APCOA Parking Ltd to demonstrate their legal ownership of the land to POPLA.


    I contend that APCOA Parking Ltd is only an agent working for the owner and their signs do not help them to form a contract without any consideration capable of being offered. VCS-v-HMRC 2012 is the binding decision in the Upper Chamber which covers this issue with compelling statements of fact about this sort of business model.


    I believe there is no contract with the landowner/occupier that entitles APCOA Parking Ltd to levy these charges and therefore it has no authority to issue parking charge notices (PCNs). This being the case, the burden of proof shifts to APCOA Parking Ltd to prove otherwise so I require that APCOA Parking Ltd produce a copy of their contract with the owner/occupier and that the POPLA adjudicator scrutinises it. Even if a basic contract is produced and mentions PCNs, the lack of ownership or assignment of title or interest in the land reduces any contract to one that exists simply on an agency basis between APCOA Parking Ltd and the owner/occupier, containing nothing that APCOAParking Ltd can lawfully use in their own name as a mere agent, that could impact on a third party customer.



    I therefore request that POPLA uphold my appeal and cancel this PCN.


  • Coupon-mad
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    That's good. I'd remove this as it is superfluous, flies over a POPLA Assessor's head and isn't my take on this case (i.e. I don't even think it's right):

    "VCS-v-HMRC 2012 is the binding decision in the Upper Chamber which covers this issue with compelling statements of fact about this sort of business model."
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