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Landlady presence in the house when renting the rooms

I live in a 3 bedroom house, all rooms are rented and the la flash lives elsewhere.

Speaking to the other tenants, we figured out she comes around the house 3-4 times a week during the day. Sometimes she leaves her cat in the house while she’s out running errands in the area. Others times she entertains people (when tenants are home or not) in the living room, they also use the toilet and kitchen facilities. 
She has keys to the rooms as well. 

Is this acceptable? I don’t feel at ease with all this. Had I known this I would have not moved here.

I have not spoken to her yet, as I wanted to ask some advice first.

thank you. 
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  • I live in a 3 bedroom house, all rooms are rented and the la flash lives elsewhere.

    Speaking to the other tenants, we figured out she comes around the house 3-4 times a week during the day. Sometimes she leaves her cat in the house while she’s out running errands in the area. Others times she entertains people (when tenants are home or not) in the living room, they also use the toilet and kitchen facilities. 
    She has keys to the rooms as well. 

    Is this acceptable? I don’t feel at ease with all this. Had I known this I would have not moved here.

    I have not spoken to her yet, as I wanted to ask some advice first.

    thank you. 
    The landlady (apologies for the autocorrect) 
  • theartfullodger
    theartfullodger Posts: 14,352
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    edited 22 December 2023 at 6:18PM
    Which country? (eg Wales,  NI...)?

    Sounds v unacceptable: Something wrong with her.

    What sort of tenancy (documented) do you have?  Joint or room-only? Does she provide eg meals or laundry (eg changing sheets). Do tenancies state she will do these things?

    Has she reserved part of the property for her own use only?

    How many tenants? Do all only live there or are some eg only there Monday to Friday?

    When you all told her to stop, go away etc what did she say ?
  • Brie
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    Couldn't you agree with the other tenants to change the main lock?  Keep the old one and change it back when you leave?
    "Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”
  • Which country? (eg Wales,  NI...)?

    Sounds v unacceptable: Something wrong with her.

    What sort of tenancy (documented) do you have?  Joint or room-only? Does she provide eg meals or laundry (eg changing sheets). Do tenancies state she will do these things?

    Has she reserved part of the property for her own use only?

    How many tenants? Do all only live there or are some eg only there Monday to Friday?

    When you all told her to stop, go away etc what did she say ?
    Hello,

    it’s in England.

    the house has 3 bedrooms and all 3 bedrooms are rented on a permanent basis, we all live here all the time. The rent is paid monthly via bank transfer.

    We only have verbal agreements and some texts to confirm the amount for the rent. I requested a written document, but she said it’s not needed as she’s happy to have an informal agreement.

    We did not speak to her yet. But will have to, as she’s more and more around. It didn’t use to be like that at first.
    I would not want to see myself be asked to live the house. 
  • Which country? (eg Wales,  NI...)?

    Sounds v unacceptable: Something wrong with her.

    What sort of tenancy (documented) do you have?  Joint or room-only? Does she provide eg meals or laundry (eg changing sheets). Do tenancies state she will do these things?

    Has she reserved part of the property for her own use only?

    How many tenants? Do all only live there or are some eg only there Monday to Friday?

    When you all told her to stop, go away etc what did she say ?
    Hello,

    it’s in England.

    the house has 3 bedrooms and all 3 bedrooms are rented on a permanent basis, we all live here all the time. The rent is paid monthly via bank transfer.

    We only have verbal agreements and some texts to confirm the amount for the rent. I requested a written document, but she said it’s not needed as she’s happy to have an informal agreement.

    We did not speak to her yet. But will have to, as she’s more and more around. It didn’t use to be like that at first.
    I would not want to see myself be asked to live the house. 
    ***leave the house.
  • pinkshoes
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    Hello,

    it’s in England.

    the house has 3 bedrooms and all 3 bedrooms are rented on a permanent basis, we all live here all the time. The rent is paid monthly via bank transfer.

    We only have verbal agreements and some texts to confirm the amount for the rent. I requested a written document, but she said it’s not needed as she’s happy to have an informal agreement.

    We did not speak to her yet. But will have to, as she’s more and more around. It didn’t use to be like that at first.
    I would not want to see myself be asked to live the house. 
    She might be happy to have an informal agreement but she also needs to obey the law!

    Has the house had a gas safety check done? Has your deposit been protected? Have fire regulations been met for an HMO?

    What do your housemates think of this arrangement? 

    I'd be tempted to change the lock on the front door, giving each of your housemates a key. You can change it back at a later date if you need to. 

    At the very least I'd change the lock on your bedroom door. You do NOT need to inform the LL you've done this and the LL shouldn't even find out. 

    Is the LL paying the bills?


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  • pinkshoes said:
    Hello,

    it’s in England.

    the house has 3 bedrooms and all 3 bedrooms are rented on a permanent basis, we all live here all the time. The rent is paid monthly via bank transfer.

    We only have verbal agreements and some texts to confirm the amount for the rent. I requested a written document, but she said it’s not needed as she’s happy to have an informal agreement.

    We did not speak to her yet. But will have to, as she’s more and more around. It didn’t use to be like that at first.
    I would not want to see myself be asked to live the house. 
    She might be happy to have an informal agreement but she also needs to obey the law!

    Has the house had a gas safety check done? Has your deposit been protected? Have fire regulations been met for an HMO?

    What do your housemates think of this arrangement? 

    I'd be tempted to change the lock on the front door, giving each of your housemates a key. You can change it back at a later date if you need to. 

    At the very least I'd change the lock on your bedroom door. You do NOT need to inform the LL you've done this and the LL shouldn't even find out. 

    Is the LL paying the bills?


    Bills are included. 
    The informal agreement part came about after I moved in, as she kept delaying the formal agreement. Then and I accepted the situation, but now things have started to be more difficult.

    thank you for your reply.
    I will look into changing the lock on my room. This solves part of the problem.
    still not sure how to approach her about the regular visits to the house. 

  • sevenhills
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    Bills are included. 
    The informal agreement part came about after I moved in, as she kept delaying the formal agreement. Then and I accepted the situation, but now things have started to be more difficult.

    thank you for your reply.
    I will look into changing the lock on my room. This solves part of the problem.
    still not sure how to approach her about the regular visits to the house. 


    It sounds like she is treating you as a lodger, as if she is living at the house. It's likely to be illegal and if the authorities find out you will face immediate eviction and will need alternative premises.
  • RHemmings
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    Before changing the locks, would it be possible to informally approach the landlady (e.g. by email, message), saying that you tenants would like a little more privacy and notice of her visiting the house? 
  • MultiFuelBurner
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    edited 23 December 2023 at 9:17AM
    For a start take a step back and a breath before taking any advice here.

    From what you have said the LandLady is letting out rooms to multiple lodgers by verbal contract and doesn't live at the property..exactly what was said to you needs to be divulged.

    Now that's potentially not a good situation but what do the people of the other 2 rooms think about it, how long have they lived there and as the new person(s) to the house are you being used by them to create an issue so that if she gets annoyed they can stay and you get kicked out.

    Don't make yourself homeless over Christmas 👍

    Again unless you have alternate accomodation available maybe something to look into the New Year before contact the Council and raising a complaint or confronting.
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