Getting away with falsifying working time

B0bbyEwing

Marcon said:

If you look at the amount of time and words you've spent, I'd say 'huge issue' is a reasonable conclusion...

First off you've no idea how fast I type, how long that post took me. 

Secondly, what I choose to do in my own free time is my own business. It's nothing to me to spend a bit of time throwing up a post of the weekend for something that I'm unsure about & then dipping back at points throughout the day to see if it's picked up any replies. Have a quick scan through, anything I feel like responding to, yes/no. 

This thread has taken up a very small portion of my day.

So not huge in the slightest.

Although granted - what one person calls huge is quite small to the next person & vice versa

Grumpy_chap

There is, of course, the possibility that the whole event was agreed in advance with the Management.  Maybe the individual that left early had to do so because of some unwelcome event that the Management agreed to give the time without deduction of the associated pay and the "late time card" was the easiest way to process that.  I'd agree that "bending the rules" is not the correct way to administer such matters, but it may have been the way none-the-less.

B0bbyEwing

Grumpy_chap said:

There is, of course, the possibility that the whole event was agreed in advance with the Management.  Maybe the individual that left early had to do so because of some unwelcome event that the Management agreed to give the time without deduction of the associated pay and the "late time card" was the easiest way to process that.  I'd agree that "bending the rules" is not the correct way to administer such matters, but it may have been the way none-the-less.

I'd be very comfortable betting every last penny I had that that wasn't the case. That they left early because 1) work was absolutely dead, painfully quiet to the point you're scrapping around for the most minor of jobs just to pass some time and 2) it leads on to some annual leave. 
And knowing my employer like I do, they would never ever ever allow you under any circumstances to put a false entry on your card. They would have happily let this person leave 1 hour early under the circumstances (quietness) - that I'm absolutely sure of, but they would have expected this person to have punched out at the time they left, not enter it as though they stayed an additional hour over what they actually did. 
Even giving up their 1 hour break. They wouldn't have had someone falsify the time card - you simply are supposed to note on your card that you didn't take your break (& then you will be paid your dinner break).


But you are right. It is a possibility, not wanting to be flippant but in the same sense this coming week I could win the Euromillions, the lotto AND Set for Life. 

Hoenir

B0bbyEwing said:

I think one of the top managers know this person left as they phoned this person to do a job & this person had to phone someone else in my department for the job to be done. Whether it was said in their conversation that this person was now at home or whether that was kept hush-hush obviously I don't know.

Wouldn't the manager simply make the call themselves if he knew the person was offsite/unavailable. 

Personally I'd be more concerned that if there wasn't sufficient work to keep everybody occupied. That sooner or later the axe will fall, and headcount will be reduced. Whatever practices are going on would be secondary. Management using this opportunity to remove the less productive employees. 

TELLIT01

I accept that it's annoying when you play by the rules and others don't, but it seems that management know it's happening and let some people get away with it.  Raise it with HR if you wish but I would keep out of it.  The only person likely to suffer otherwise will be you.

B0bbyEwing

Thanks. Decided to leave it alone. 

Management don't know that this (falsifying) is going on. Again I can bet that comfortably. Never in a million years would they accept it. 

Also unlikely to be any lay offs. Talking to some who've worked here since the 70s/80s it sounds like there's only ever been 1 layoff which was in the 80s. They just put you on reduced hours which also hasn't happened that often either. 

But anyway as I say, I'll leave it. If it was a less favoured person then they may do something but as warped as it is, I don't trust them not to flip it on me & for me to come off worse for daring to speak out against The Chosen One.