PCN for turning right on box junction

tmacka

Hi,
I’d really appreciate some advice please. I was turning right on a junction with a yellow box and drove into the box then waited to turn right, however got a PCN. I thought you were allowed to enter a box to turn right, however I did the initial appeal and was told ‘the Highway Code advises you must not enter a box until exit Road is clear. Having reviewed the case I’m satisfied that the driver would have been aware when entering the box junction that they would not have been able to exit and therefore the PCN was issued correctly. Your comments are noted and I can confirm you are correct in thinking that you may enter a box junction if you are turning right. However this only applies if you are turning right. This does not apply to drivers going straight over this junction to turn right. I can confirm that the findings are that the driver should have anticipated/waited and assessed the situation and only entered the yellow box if their exit was fully clear’
As far as I’m aware I was turning right and this doesn’t make any sense to me. If I appeal again and lose I’ll have to pay the full amount, however it seems that this is wrong and probably lots of other people are being unfairly fined. 

If anyone could advise me I would really appreciate it.
thank you

Ref44

Can you identify the junction so we can look at it on Google maps; the rejection does sound strange on the face of it.

daveyjp

Turning right from within the box or turning right after the end of the box?  The appeal refusal suggests the latter.

Umkomaas

As we major on private parking tickets here, PePiPoo will be your best bet for council tickets. Register there but please note that a Hotmail address won't work - try using a throwaway Gmail account instead if you do have trouble registering, and post a new thread; here's your link:

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tmacka

Thanks for the help. Here is a photo- I’d just turned right and am the white car.

Le_Kirk

I think the problem is you were turning at a T junction but you would have been OK if you had been on a main road turning right and your way was blocked by traffic coming towards you.  As said, try Pepipoo.

LightFlare

Although - unless there is a full video or more pictures then OP is in the clear

That picture doesn’t show any contravention 

100% take this to PePiPoo or FTLA

prowla

The Highway code states:

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Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (download ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.

For me, the debate is whether the white car complies with the "or by other vehicles waiting to turn right", as the two cars in front are waiting to complete their right turns...

fisherjim

I don't get the debate here, surely the white car is the one just leaving the box junction at the top end, (the one in the middle is silver) if it is stopped or has stopped in the box it is in contravention, it has turned right already out of the side road.

The fact that that box junction is ridiculously large and where the white car is has no reason to be boxed off is another debate.

But Pepipoo is the place, though I don't see much hope.

LightFlare

The white car appears to be just inside the yellow box, the silver is fully in it.

Maybe the OP could clarify which is theirs ?

Either way, looking at the traffic light in that picture, that turn is likely to be green (and there is nothing to prove otherwise) - therefore no contravention.

That looks like a screen grab from a video - so the full details may prove more damning.

fisherjim

LightFlare said:

The white car appears to be just inside the yellow box, the silver is fully in it.

Maybe the OP could clarify which is theirs ?

Either way, looking at the traffic light in that picture, that turn is likely to be green (and there is nothing to prove otherwise) - therefore no contravention.

That looks like a screen grab from a video - so the full details may prove more damning.

So how do those three cars in the box comply with the rule:

"Do not enter the box unless your exit is clear" the right turn allowance does not apply in this case.