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PCM FINE APPEAL REJECTED THEY HAVE NOW ASKED ME TO APPEAL TO IAS

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bellatedd
bellatedd Posts: 11 Forumite
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Hi everyone, new here. I HAVE read through the newbie thread but there’s a lot of info so apologies if I am repeating anything. 
PCM have issued a ticket for parking outside of a designated boundary which is very unclear and they don’t even have clear bays or boundary lines on the floor. I still maintain the cat was within the boundary. Appealed, confirmed I was the driver (yes very stupid I now realise) they rejected the appeal and referred me to IAS. I haven’t gone to the IAS as I know they’re a bunch of cowboys. Unsure on what to do next? The boundary is very unclear and I should mention that they have incorrectly issued about 8 tickets to my colleagues previously which they admitted were incorrect. No permits are given to us either, photo evidence has been sent to me. Please help! Am I ignoring them? If a NTK arrives what do I do? Thank you so much in advance 
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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,455 Forumite
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    Just wait for the LBC. Post 2 of the NEWBIES thread. Your current situation is in post 4 of it.
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  • Le_Kirk
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    bellatedd said:
    Hi everyone, new here. I HAVE read through the newbie thread but there’s a lot of info so apologies if I am repeating anything. 
    PCM have issued a ticket for parking outside of a designated boundary which is very unclear and they don’t even have clear bays or boundary lines on the floor. I still maintain the cat was within the boundary. Appealed, confirmed I was the driver (yes very stupid I now realise) they rejected the appeal and referred me to IAS. I haven’t gone to the IAS as I know they’re a bunch of cowboys. Unsure on what to do next? The boundary is very unclear and I should mention that they have incorrectly issued about 8 tickets to my colleagues previously which they admitted were incorrect. No permits are given to us either, photo evidence has been sent to me. Please help! Am I ignoring them? If a NTK arrives what do I do? Thank you so much in advance 
    Against what did you appeal?  NtD - viz, a windscreen ticket?   You talk about colleagues; is this a workplace car park?  If so, get your employer to deal and have the tickets cancelled.
  • bellatedd
    bellatedd Posts: 11 Forumite
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    Thanks both, I appealed because their boundary is unclear and originally they had given me a ticket for 'not displaying a permit' which they do not provide us... my employer has referred it back to me unfortunately. Will go and check out post 4 on NEWIE thread again! 
  • Umkomaas
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    bellatedd said:
    Thanks both, I appealed because their boundary is unclear and originally they had given me a ticket for 'not displaying a permit' which they do not provide us... my employer has referred it back to me unfortunately. Will go and check out post 4 on NEWIE thread again! 
    Is the vehicle a company one, where the name on the initial PCM correspondence is that of your employer?  What has been 'referred back'?

    You need to be taking photos of the poorly marked bays as they may be very useful evidence should the case go to court. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • bellatedd
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    No the vehicle is mine, they have referred it back to me to deal with as it is my car . I have taken photos yes. 
  • bellatedd
    bellatedd Posts: 11 Forumite
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    Hi, I have now received the follow up reminder notice - just to check - I am still ignoring this until LBC? 
  • Half_way
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    In who's car park was this?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

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  • Umkomaas
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    edited 10 November 2023 at 11:58AM
    bellatedd said:
    No the vehicle is mine, they have referred it back to me to deal with as it is my car . I have taken photos yes. 
    Who received the first letter from PCM?  Who are 'they'?
    Hi, I have now received the follow up reminder notice - just to check - I am still ignoring this until LBC? 
    Correct. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • bellatedd
    bellatedd Posts: 11 Forumite
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    Hi all,

    I am now receiving letters and emails from the debt recovery agency, TRACE. No LBC yet, is there still a chance they will drop this? It's a private land car park but we had an 'area' to park in which isn't clearly defined and they have given me a ticket...I made the error of confirming I was the driver when I first appealed. 
  • Half_way
    Half_way Posts: 7,479 Forumite
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    Who's car park is this?
    You say "we have an area to park in" please explain, is this a residential car park and if so what rights do you have to use it?
    Is it a communal parking area on a first come first get basis?
    Who appointed the parking company?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
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