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General question about PPCs

Typically, what share of parking charges do private parking firms give to the landowner ? I seem to recall a figure of 10%.

I have seen occasional references to landowners being fixed with vicarious liability for the wrong doing of PPCs. Any case law ?

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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 161,434 Forumite
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    edited 26 October 2023 at 3:28PM
    Usually nothing is paid to landowners at all IMHO, but in a lucrative contract - big land agent, retail or Hospital multi-site contracts - there is sometimes a share of what we'd call the ill-gotten gains.

    In Beavis, ParkingEye paid the landowner an average £1000 per week (that was said during the earlier hearings) so it meant they "had to" issue plenty of PCNs to make a profit.

    Which is why the free parking time for that large retail park was apparently reduced to a woeful 2 hours.  Set deliberately, to catch xx people per week.  Typically, the victims creamed off for a 'fine' are disabled people, the elderly, harassed families with children and those delayed out of their control, as Barry was.

    Appalling that the Supreme Court swallowed that set up as 'fair'.  But that's history, and the DLUHC are not so credulous, IMHO.

    Vicarious liability for the actions of agents is trite law.  Best to Google it and read articles.
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  • exongrad
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    Thank you,coupon-mad.Possibly there are more examples hidden under redacted confidentiality clauses.

    Re vicarious liability,I am aware of the principle but could not find any PPC cases in reported upper court case sites. I wondered if there were any county court cases. Yes,I searched this forum but found only suggestions that the principle might be used.In practice I suspect that  those defending PCNs will concentrate on the PPCs as it might be tricky to join landowners as co-defendants in the county court.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 26 October 2023 at 5:26PM
    There are none relating to PPCs. The nature of the agent's business is irrelevant so a PPC/landowner liability case would not be tested in a higher court, because the law of agency is not a new untested area of law.
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