Digital phone lines query

"On the 5th of September Openreach instigated a nationwide "Stop Sell" on all new copper lines and transfers, as well as the restarting of stopped copper lines, migrations to a different Communications Provider (CP) transfers, addition of broadband to copper voice lines, bandwidth modification, or any modification to existing copper line installation.

Openreach has also announced (01.02.2023) that, as part of their plan to retire older copper analogue UK phone services by December 2025, they will look to responsibly [adjusts] the performance of the remaining analogue services” over the next 24 months (i.e. blocking out-bound calls and limiting broadband ISP speeds) to “encourage” customers to upgrade to new digital lines."

Does this mean that anyone who wants to transfer their supplier  from BT (or any other supplier) from 5th Sept will have to use a digital line ?

What if there's NO digital line there yet ?


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  • iniltous
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    edited 12 October 2023 at 11:42AM
    You have put some of your  post in quotation marks suggesting they are verbatim quotes , but you don’t link to the source,
    WLR / PSTN has been removed from sale , not ‘copper lines’ , it’s the WLR and PSTN telephony that’s no longer available for new business or migrations , someone on a LLU connection with Sky for example, wishing to move to Talk Talk is not affected , but Sky to WLR is no longer possible, but there will be an equivalent ‘SoGEA’  products for communication providers that don’t use LLU, put simply there will be a connection from a broadband port , either FTTC or in some cases where no FTTC exists exchange based ADSL ( SoTAP )  that will deliver broadband over the copper pair distribution network any telephony required with be IP ( Internet Protocol ) over the broadband network.

    What exactly do you think a ‘digital’ line is ?, it’s not ‘FTTP’ , any new business , migrations , additions that can no longer use Openreach WLR ( PSTN ) products, doesn’t mean copper pairs cannot be used for new business, migration or additional services , they are and will continue to be used for years , if FTTP isn’t available in that location.
    December 2025 is the point at which the PSTN ( telephone exchange switches like System X and Y ) will be switched off ,that has nothing to do with the Openreach distribution network, which then as now will be a mixture of copper pairs and FTTP , copper pairs eventually also made redundant,  in favour of FTTP , but that will be for some,  many years away 
  • MouldyOldDough
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    edited 12 October 2023 at 2:04PM
    iniltous said:
    You have put some of your  post in quotation marks suggesting they are verbatim quotes , but you don’t link to the source,
    WLR / PSTN has been removed from sale , not ‘copper lines’ , it’s the WLR and PSTN telephony that’s no longer available for new business or migrations , someone on a LLU connection with Sky for example, wishing to move to Talk Talk is not affected , but Sky to WLR is no longer possible, but there will be an equivalent ‘SoGEA’  products for communication providers that don’t use LLU, put simply there will be a connection from a broadband port , either FTTC or in some cases where no FTTC exists exchange based ADSL ( SoTAP )  that will deliver broadband over the copper pair distribution network any telephony required with be IP ( Internet Protocol ) over the broadband network.

    What exactly do you think a ‘digital’ line is ?, it’s not ‘FTTP’ , any new business , migrations , additions that can no longer use Openreach WLR ( PSTN ) products, doesn’t mean copper pairs cannot be used for new business, migration or additional services , they are and will continue to be used for years , if FTTP isn’t available in that location.
    December 2025 is the point at which the PSTN ( telephone exchange switches like System X and Y ) will be switched off ,that has nothing to do with the Openreach distribution network, which then as now will be a mixture of copper pairs and FTTP , copper pairs eventually also made redundant,  in favour of FTTP , but that will be for some,  many years away 
    and many others......





  • iniltous
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    edited 12 October 2023 at 4:07PM
    The URL states withdrawing copper based telephone services , not copper based services, as pointed out multiple times , it’s PSTN telephone service that’s withdrawn , not copper pairs , they are still used even on orders after the 5th September using SoGEA and SoTAP, the article you link to is a somewhat cynical misrepresentation of what happening , apparently aimed at the elderly to get them to switch , it’s hardly a representative site and certainly not published by the regulator or Openreach.
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