PIP to AA

Morning Folks.

My father currently gets PIP Mobility Lower Rate, he is over the state pension age too.

Currently he has Advanced COPD, and Arthritis,  

We phoned PIP to update on his Health Condition, as he has gotten worse over the past year.  They had mentioned that since we are in Scotland they will need to move us over first.  So the ball is rolling for moving to ADP.

In the mean time, my Mother has quit her job as of yesterday 10/09/23 as she needed to provide more help during the day and night, she was only working part time.  This will also allow them to move house with no stairs, current housing is inadequate.

I was helping them with all the applications etc, and realised (My Mistake) that carers can only be applied for by people on the Care Component or Attendance Allowance

Obviously they would be unable to get this until At least November when PIP gets moved to the Scottish Adult Disability and a Change of Circumstances happen

I also noticed that when you are over the State pension age, the mobility part cannot be changed even if health has worsened.

Anyway my question.

Is it worth while my Father cancelling the current PIP claim, and move over to Attendance.  Or is this possible?

Is it as easy as just applying for Attendance allowance and then PIP would stop?

Since my mother quit her job to provide care without carers allowance in place, will UC sanction her or will they be understanding

Kinda all my fault this, as needed them to move house, as they cannot manage the current house they are in, he has Advanced COPD, and Rheumatoid Arthurites, and live in a flat that has 3 sets of stairs.


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  • Alice_Holt
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    Is it worth while my Father cancelling the current PIP claim, and move over to Attendance.  Or is this possible?

    Is it as easy as just applying for Attendance allowance and then PIP would stop?




    No, since he will lose his mobility award.

    Stay on PIP (or the Scottish equivalent) and notify them of a change of circumstances re Daily Living that way he will be able to receive both DL & Mob components.


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  • pr0xibus
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    Is it worth while my Father cancelling the current PIP claim, and move over to Attendance.  Or is this possible?

    Is it as easy as just applying for Attendance allowance and then PIP would stop?




    No, since he will lose his mobility award.

    Stay on PIP (or the Scottish equivalent) and notify them of a change of circumstances re Daily Living that way he will be able to receive both DL & Mob components.


    Appreciated for the reply.  Since he is over State Pension Age, apparently if any changes in regards to his Mobility are done, he will not have an increase in Award in regards to the mobility part, so he will be effectively stuck at the £26 per week
    """

    If you claim PIP after State Pension age, there are extra rules about the ‘mobility component’. The mobility component is for the extra help you need getting around.

    You can’t:

    • start getting the mobility component unless you got it in your last PIP claim
    • get the enhanced rate of the mobility component if you only got the standard rate in your last PIP claim

    These rules apply even if your medical condition has got worse.
    """

    If he gets the Care component when he switches over this will amount to a minimum of £60 per week, so in total £80 ish.

    If and happy to be corrected, gets AA, then this could be approx £100 per week.

  • pr0xibus
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    Sorry its this part

    Getting more PIP if your condition gets worse

    If you’re getting PIP after State Pension age, there are extra rules about the ‘mobility component’. The mobility component is for the extra help you need getting around.

    You can’t:

    • start getting the mobility component if you aren’t already getting it
    • move from the standard rate of the mobility component to the enhanced rate

    The rules apply even if your medical condition has got worse.

  • Indie_Kid
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    You can get carers if the person you're caring for gets the daily living (not mobility) component of PIP or ADP
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  • pr0xibus
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    Indie_Kid said:
    You can get carers if the person you're caring for gets the daily living (not mobility) component of PIP or ADP
    Unfortunately he only gets Mobility part at the moment, we have requested a change of circumstances, but this wont be until at least November, 

    All I am concerned about initially is weather they will get sanctioned because my mother left her job to care, even though she does not get carers.
  • Alice_Holt
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    pr0xibus said:


    If he gets the Care component when he switches over this will amount to a minimum of £60 per week, so in total £80 ish.

    If and happy to be corrected, gets AA, then this could be approx £100 per week.

           The rates for PIP DL (standard & enhanced) are exactly the same as for DLA (middle and higher). 
    The eligibility criteria are very different. High rate DLA care is only for claimants who need help with their care needs both day and night.

        AA does not have a mobility element, so if he cancels his PIP claim, he will be £27pw worse off for the rest of his life.

      

         
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  • Rubyroobs
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    Is your mum also over state pension age ? Or if she is under state pension age, are they thinking of claiming Universal credit ? If she has no carers allowance or carers element in place then she may be expected to look for work until that is awarded.
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    pr0xibus said:
    Is it worth while my Father cancelling the current PIP claim, and move over to Attendance.  Or is this possible?

    Is it as easy as just applying for Attendance allowance and then PIP would stop?




    No, since he will lose his mobility award.

    Stay on PIP (or the Scottish equivalent) and notify them of a change of circumstances re Daily Living that way he will be able to receive both DL & Mob components.


    Appreciated for the reply.  Since he is over State Pension Age, apparently if any changes in regards to his Mobility are done, he will not have an increase in Award in regards to the mobility part, so he will be effectively stuck at the £26 per week
    """

    If you claim PIP after State Pension age, there are extra rules about the ‘mobility component’. The mobility component is for the extra help you need getting around.

    You can’t:

    • start getting the mobility component unless you got it in your last PIP claim
    • get the enhanced rate of the mobility component if you only got the standard rate in your last PIP claim

    These rules apply even if your medical condition has got worse.
    """

    If he gets the Care component when he switches over this will amount to a minimum of £60 per week, so in total £80 ish.

    If and happy to be corrected, gets AA, then this could be approx £100 per week.

    £101.75 Attendance Allowance would be the highest rate of AA and only awarded if your dad has day and night time care needs. Otherwise the lower AA rate is £68.10 . AA is generally easier to be awarded but as previously advised there is no no mobility component so he may be better off waiting for the PIP / ADP.
  • pr0xibus
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    pr0xibus said:


    If he gets the Care component when he switches over this will amount to a minimum of £60 per week, so in total £80 ish.

    If and happy to be corrected, gets AA, then this could be approx £100 per week.

           The rates for PIP DL (standard & enhanced) are exactly the same as for DLA (middle and higher). 
    The eligibility criteria are very different. High rate DLA care is only for claimants who need help with their care needs both day and night.

        AA does not have a mobility element, so if he cancels his PIP claim, he will be £27pw worse off for the rest of his life.

      

         
    Appreciated for the reply.

    Right now he gets approx £23 per week, we have requested a Change, but NO guarantees he will get the care component.  He would manage to get it normally, but we all know how PIP works, and the hoops you need to jump through, with appeals and mandatory considerations, even at the end of it, they still might say no, and with no care component, no carers allowance

    If he got AA and I think the lowest you get is £68 per week, this would also certainly guarantee Carers element for my mother.

    Rubyroobs said:
    Is your mum also over state pension age ? Or if she is under state pension age, are they thinking of claiming Universal credit ? If she has no carers allowance or carers element in place then she may be expected to look for work until that is awarded.
    She is not pension age yet, she is 63, with her own health conditions but non that would warrant PIP..  This is what I am scared of that UC might say leaving a job to care for your husband isn't a good enough reason to stop a Sanction, without the care element or carers allowance in place.

    He will finally be moved over to ADP by November 1st, they should then do the change of circumstances.  Kinda wish I just told her to keep working until ADP was in place, and with care element, my own fault for not reading the carers allowance correctly :D 
  • Rubyroobs
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    pr0xibus said:
    pr0xibus said:


    If he gets the Care component when he switches over this will amount to a minimum of £60 per week, so in total £80 ish.

    If and happy to be corrected, gets AA, then this could be approx £100 per week.

           The rates for PIP DL (standard & enhanced) are exactly the same as for DLA (middle and higher). 
    The eligibility criteria are very different. High rate DLA care is only for claimants who need help with their care needs both day and night.

        AA does not have a mobility element, so if he cancels his PIP claim, he will be £27pw worse off for the rest of his life.

      

         
    Appreciated for the reply.

    Right now he gets approx £23 per week, we have requested a Change, but NO guarantees he will get the care component.  He would manage to get it normally, but we all know how PIP works, and the hoops you need to jump through, with appeals and mandatory considerations, even at the end of it, they still might say no, and with no care component, no carers allowance

    If he got AA and I think the lowest you get is £68 per week, this would also certainly guarantee Carers element for my mother.

    Rubyroobs said:
    Is your mum also over state pension age ? Or if she is under state pension age, are they thinking of claiming Universal credit ? If she has no carers allowance or carers element in place then she may be expected to look for work until that is awarded.
    She is not pension age yet, she is 63, with her own health conditions but non that would warrant PIP..  This is what I am scared of that UC might say leaving a job to care for your husband isn't a good enough reason to stop a Sanction, without the care element or carers allowance in place.

    He will finally be moved over to ADP by November 1st, they should then do the change of circumstances.  Kinda wish I just told her to keep working until ADP was in place, and with care element, my own fault for not reading the carers allowance correctly :D 
    I guess November isn't that far away but is that just the date for the start of the ADP process, so in theory could take a lot longer ? I guess she will just need to explain to her work coach that she has caring duties and hope they are sympathetic until the ADP is in place and this is assuming he is going to be awarded it. I have read that ADP is a lot easier to be awarded than PIP so hopefully will be ok. They may not even be eligible for UC initially. As your dad is not in receipt of a qualifying benefit currently to get the LCWRA element added automatically, he would need to hand in fit notes to UC and be assessed for work capability ( despite being state pension age) to get that element added. With only standard couples element on UC ( assuming they own their own home) it's unlikely they would qualify for UC as your dad's state pension would be deducted pound for pound. They may not qualify until they have the LCWRA and carers elements in place. I think there are a few things to weight up here. Attendance Allowance is generally easier to claim, takes about eight to nine weeks and would qualify your dad for the LCWRA element of Universal credit after a 3 month waiting period. But as previously discussed he would lose the mobility component for good by claiming AA. I'm not sure what rate of ADP he would need to get the LCWRA element but with PIP it is enhanced daily living that is needed. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can advise on  whether this is the same with ADP ?. Your mum could possibly look at claiming New style ESA if her health conditions are such that they prevent her from working.
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