Great British Insulation Scheme

matt_drummer

QrizB said:

It shouldn't take more than one day for one person to lay, so say another £250 for labour.

two people for two days to install, £1000.

I would think that £250 a day for labour is a bit on the low side.

That may be what the employee gets paid but if they are working for a company then there are all sorts of overheads to take into account such as employer costs, vehicle costs, admin costs, travelling, tools etc etc.

I would treble your estimate for labour costs.

QrizB

£750 a day for labour? I'm really glad I don't live wherever you are!

matt_drummer

QrizB said:

£750 a day for labour? I'm really glad I don't live wherever you are!

The employee won't get £750.

If an employee was paid £250 the there are another £50 a day in social security and pension costs

You can add another 10% to that to cover holiday and sickness.

Vehicle costs, say £50 a day.

Office and admin costs, say £50 a day

Tools and consumables, say another £50 a day.

Contingency for remedial works, say £25 a day.

Professional compliance, staff training, marketing, say £50 a day.

Waste disposal, say £25 a day.

Profit for the company, say £50 a day.

Allowance for not working every day, job cancellations, delays etc, say £25 a day.

Without trying too hard that is £655 a day for an employee that was paid a gross wage of £250 per day.

QrizB

matt_drummer said:

QrizB said:

£750 a day for labour? I'm really glad I don't live wherever you are!

The employee won't get £750.

No-one is claiming they will. I just don't believe your numbers.

I know you're an accountant, and for all I know you work for Balfour Beattie or Serco or Costain or one of the other major construction companies. And maybe they do charge their trades out at £750 a day.

But eg. Checkatrade seem to think your numbers are unusual.

https://www.checkatrade.com/blog/cost-guides/builder-day-rate/

matt_drummer

QrizB said:

matt_drummer said:

QrizB said:

£750 a day for labour? I'm really glad I don't live wherever you are!

The employee won't get £750.

No-one is claiming they will. I just don't believe your numbers.

I know you're an accountant, and for all I know you work for Balfour Beattie or Serco or Costain or one of the other major construction companies. And maybe they do charge their trades out at £750 a day.

But eg. Checkatrade seem to think your numbers are unusual.

https://www.checkatrade.com/blog/cost-guides/builder-day-rate/

I currently work for a timber importer but I used to work in practice.

Those may be the day rates for a self employed builder but that won't be what you get if you are applying for an insulation grant.

My numbers are about right for how a large company would have to cost that sort of work.



Maybe we are talking at cross purposes?

You are saying what it might cost to get somebody in to do the insulation work which may be true, probably is.


But it was in response to this asking about what the actual grant amount is.

OrwellianBabe said:

I registered for the GBIS scheme via OVO my energy supplier as I live in a band D, EPC D house that is badly in need of loft insulation.  My understanding is that under this scheme you will be given a grant towards the cost with the rest funded by you. I got a call this morning from a company called Efficient Homes who are partnering with OVO.   I was expecting to pay a couple of hundred quid for the insulation but was told my contribution would be over £1500 to insulate the loft plus I was not able to have the pitched roof insulation which is what I really wanted.  I’m sure I could get a professional insulation company to do the job cheaper than £1,500 but was curious to know if anyone else had registered?  What have your experiences been so far?  Anyone know how much the actual grant amount is?  If most people are expected to pay over £1,500 there may be little take up on the scheme in general.


A company like that mentioned here is likely to be charging much more than £250 for a days work, they are partnered with OVO and are not like a local trades person.

They will be horrifically expensive compared to a small local business.

The poster asked this

OrwellianBabe said:

So really what I'd like to know is if my contribution is £1500 then what is the total cost of installing roof insulation - ie what percentage of the total cost am I funding under the scheme?

The total cost will be really high because the company doing the work is charging a fortune, way more than £250 a day in labour.

QrizB

matt_drummer said:

Maybe we are talking at cross purposes?
You are saying what it might cost to get somebody in to do the insulation work which may be true, probably is.

Ah, yes, that's exactly it.

Hopefully, between our two interpretations, @OrwellianBabe has now got their answer!

matt_drummer

QrizB said:

matt_drummer said:

Maybe we are talking at cross purposes?
You are saying what it might cost to get somebody in to do the insulation work which may be true, probably is.

Ah, yes, that's exactly it.

Hopefully, between our two interpretations, @OrwellianBabe has now got their answer!

Yes, just pay a local company to do it and forget the grant!

FreeBear

matt_drummer said:

QrizB said:

It shouldn't take more than one day for one person to lay, so say another £250 for labour.

two people for two days to install, £1000.

I would think that £250 a day for labour is a bit on the low side.

That may be what the employee gets paid but if they are working for a company then there are all sorts of overheads to take into account such as employer costs, vehicle costs, admin costs, travelling, tools etc etc.

I would treble your estimate for labour costs.

Not forgetting the "snout in trough" surcharge - Any company milking government funded contracts will add a sizable chunk on top of what the work would actually cost. This could double or even triple the final bill.

Reed_Richards

QrizB said:

Roof insulation is triple the price per square metre, plus you've got a larger area to insulate (two sides of the triangle), and there's a lot more work involved. Call it £1000-£1200 for materials plus two people for two days to install, £1000.

I'm pretty sure that if you live in a timber frame building (as I do) then you would need to also insulate the inside of the gable end walls or the roof insulation alone would be ineffective.

And in all cases, roofs are generally designed to be vented with outside air so you would need to consider condensation issues if when you block the vents.