Provisional Driving License Proof

daryladvice

I've been assisting a family member in getting their provisional driving license. Unfortunately, they don't have a passport or their original birth certificate. I got them a copy from the registry office, assuming it would suffice. However, when I sent it to the DVLA, they returned it, requesting the "Original Birth Certificate." I thought getting it from the local registry office would provide the original document, but it seems the DVLA doesn't consider it "legit" enough. I've informed the DVLA twice that it's the original, but they've sent it back again. Am I missing something here, or is there another way to ensure we have the needed original birth certificate?

Also whenever I look up using other ID, non of those are obtainable. I did send their DWP letter with their NI number, showing proof of address and name.

Can anyone help as to why they are not accepting this?

Thanks

SiliconChip

As this has nothing to do with Student money saving I suggest that you repost on a more appropriate board, probably Motoring is your best bet.

p00hsticks

daryladvice said:

I've been assisting a family member in getting their provisional driving license. Unfortunately, they don't have a passport or their original birth certificate. I got them a copy from the registry office, assuming it would suffice. However, when I sent it to the DVLA, they returned it, requesting the "Original Birth Certificate." I thought getting it from the local registry office would provide the original document, but it seems the DVLA doesn't consider it "legit" enough. I've informed the DVLA twice that it's the original, but they've sent it back again. Am I missing something here, or is there another way to ensure we have the needed original birth certificate?

In this country all birth certificates are 'certified copies' of the original entry recorded at the time the birth was registered. As you've found out, any one can, for a small price, got to the General Register Office (assuming we're talking England & Wales) and  buy a copy of their or anyone elses birth certificates, and therefore they are pretty useless when it comes to proving an individuals identity.  

The one exception that government departments and other institutions will often accept as valid is if you have the 'original' copy that would have been given to the parent at the time the birth was first registered (or at least within a year of the birth). 

I've put in a request of this to be moved over to the Motoring board as Silicon Chip has suggested

daryladvice

p00hsticks said:

daryladvice said:

I've been assisting a family member in getting their provisional driving license. Unfortunately, they don't have a passport or their original birth certificate. I got them a copy from the registry office, assuming it would suffice. However, when I sent it to the DVLA, they returned it, requesting the "Original Birth Certificate." I thought getting it from the local registry office would provide the original document, but it seems the DVLA doesn't consider it "legit" enough. I've informed the DVLA twice that it's the original, but they've sent it back again. Am I missing something here, or is there another way to ensure we have the needed original birth certificate?

In this country all birth certificates are 'certified copies' of the original entry recorded at the time the birth was registered. As you've found out, any one can, for a small price, got to the General Register Office (assuming we're talking England & Wales) and  buy a copy of their or anyone elses birth certificates, and therefore they are pretty useless when it comes to proving an individuals identity.  

The one exception that government departments and other institutions will often accept as valid is if you have the 'original' copy that would have been given to the parent at the time the birth was first registered (or at least within a year of the birth). 

I've put in a request of this to be moved over to the Motoring board as Silicon Chip has suggested

Thanks for the above information and aiming to get this moved into the correct sections.

I want to know then, if you know, how on earth could someone get the identification for this part of the provisional?

Proof of identity (e.g., passport, biometric residence permit, adoption certificate).

Being a UK resident biometrics is not needed or obtained due to being a UK resident since birth. Adoption, not adopted. Passport does not have one hence the reason for wishing to obtain the provisional, for ID purposes.

or is there another way to obtain a government ID, to prove who someone is, without going down this path?

silvercar

I’ll ask the forum team to move this to the motoring section

p00hsticks

daryladvice said:

p00hsticks said:

daryladvice said:

I've been assisting a family member in getting their provisional driving license. Unfortunately, they don't have a passport or their original birth certificate. I got them a copy from the registry office, assuming it would suffice. However, when I sent it to the DVLA, they returned it, requesting the "Original Birth Certificate." I thought getting it from the local registry office would provide the original document, but it seems the DVLA doesn't consider it "legit" enough. I've informed the DVLA twice that it's the original, but they've sent it back again. Am I missing something here, or is there another way to ensure we have the needed original birth certificate?

In this country all birth certificates are 'certified copies' of the original entry recorded at the time the birth was registered. As you've found out, any one can, for a small price, got to the General Register Office (assuming we're talking England & Wales) and  buy a copy of their or anyone elses birth certificates, and therefore they are pretty useless when it comes to proving an individuals identity.  

The one exception that government departments and other institutions will often accept as valid is if you have the 'original' copy that would have been given to the parent at the time the birth was first registered (or at least within a year of the birth). 

I've put in a request of this to be moved over to the Motoring board as Silicon Chip has suggested

Thanks for the above information and aiming to get this moved into the correct sections.

I want to know then, if you know, how on earth could someone get the identification for this part of the provisional?

I'm sorry, I don't.

As a non-driver, until I recently caved in and got a passport, I had similar problems trying to prove my identity, but I'm surprised that the DVLA don't offer more options for this.

As far as I'm aware, unlike a full licence (or a passport) a provisional licence isn't in itself a valuable commodity with which to potentially commit fraud, and I would imagine that many of those applying for provisional licences are teenagers who won't have built up the history (credit records, electoral roll, utility bills etc) that older people have , so I'd have expected them to come across this frequently and be able to suggest more workarounds than they appear to have done.

silvercar

https://www.gov.uk/id-for-driving-licence

All listed here. The original birth certificate with proof of National Insurance number via its card, or a letter from the DWP or hmrc showing your NI number would be the most common. If you haven't got the birth certificate then you may need to apply for a passport.

MSE_ForumTeam5

SiliconChip said:

As this has nothing to do with Student money saving I suggest that you repost on a more appropriate board, probably Motoring is your best bet.

If you think something's on the wrong board, please use the 'report' button to alert us and we can move it. This is preferable to reposting, as then we end up with duplicate threads.