parking charge notice while training at my gym

deejbk01

Here is the photo of machine (today, not on day in question) 

Coupon-mad

How does it help your case?

fisherjim

That photo of one machine on a day after the event does not help you at all.

The signs on site say up to two hours free, 2-3 hours £2.00, the vehicle was on site for 2-3 hours.

Even if all the machines were out of order on the day, (a fact you have no photo evidence of) on your own admission you could have booked the 3 hour parking option on Ringo.

The car park isn't the gyms they have their own multi story giving members up to 4 hours.

UKPC will have to prove that others were able to pay via machines on the day to satisfy the claim that the machines weren't working, but you have even shown a screen shot that you could have paid for the up to 3 hours period.

Don't get me wrong I hate UKPC with a vengeance and have successfully appealed my only two private parking charges from them, but you are unlikely to win on the stance you are taking so far.

UKPC will fob you off, they only want your money, the gym will say it's got nothing to do with them not their car park, POPLA will side with UKPC unless you get them on defective signage or some other technicality, RINGO will say nothing wrong with their system.

If it got to the SCC (of late UKPC legal idiots bluff a lot then discontinue) a judge might see sense but that's a lottery.

But no one on here says pay UKPC Muppets.

Payment signage from GSV:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4136001,-0.1818479,3a,60y,322.43h,85.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw6QypzI8xoEhwa9PdE8GLg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Lack of ANPR warning at entrance may be useful:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4134282,-0.1820497,3a,75y,33.81h,91.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJbsqjqQJu17lrS37Hsgjjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

deejbk01

I've had no satisfactory response from the inquiries I've made about land ownership/management, and time to appeal is running out so I wonder if it might be worth going for Plan B, should I appeal using the Blue one size fits all template, as per below? Would it be worth including some sort of proof that the driver is a paying member at the Nuffield gym, or is this irrelevant?

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Re PCN number:########

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

As the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

As the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Coupon-mad

You can try it all.

deejbk01

deejbk01 said:

I've had no satisfactory response from the inquiries I've made about land ownership/management, and time to appeal is running out so I wonder if it might be worth going for Plan B, should I appeal using the Blue one size fits all template, as per below? Would it be worth including some sort of proof that the driver is a paying member at the Nuffield gym, or is this irrelevant?

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Re PCN number:########

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

As the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

As the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

After sending this, here is the redacted document I received back, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r8e2T0xOJBj50WouMlDMt3djMVaxAncY/view?usp=sharing

On a separate note,I  was not happy about the original unredacted document which is publicly available to anyone with the link, and has my name and address. Very poor IT security on their part. I want to complain separately about that as its just asking for a data breach

KeithP

They are just asking for driver's details. Ignore that request.

Whilst you are talking about data privacy, I notice you have left your vehicle's registration mark and the PCN number clearly visible in that file you have shown us.  
Anyone can use the VRM to get keeper's details and with the PCN number they could, if so minded, do some damage.

deejbk01

Thanks, now updated - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YvtstQBKPjH6i5lsPPG15aILP_W2iBMC/view?usp=sharing

B789

You've got to love this bit which clearly suggests that your appeal is never going to succeed:

deejbk01

B789 said:

You've got to love this bit which clearly suggests that your appeal is never going to succeed:

but I should still take no action for now right?