Radio Teleswitch Service ending.

jrh22542254

Keep_pedalling said:

Just get it changed. If anything switching will be easier with a SMETS 2 meter fitted.

I am not risking it as my E7 hours change to something I dont like. 

jrh22542254

CSI_Yorkshire said:

43722 said:

They told me this was going to happen in March 2023. It didn't. Now they say March 2024. 

They delayed turning off the old system, at least in part because they hadn't managed to change everyone's meter yet.

Interesting so they might delay again? Just received an email from my current supplier

"Tariff switching controlled by long wave radio signals on BBC services will no longer be available after 31/03/2024

E.ON Next and the industry need to replace all customers current classic RTS meters by installing a Smart meter solution supported by customers conversations

If we do not exchange the meter, Switching times will gradually drift as the clock will no longer stay in sync."

What does the last sentence actually mean in practice?

Thank you.

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jrh22542254 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

43722 said:

They told me this was going to happen in March 2023. It didn't. Now they say March 2024. 

They delayed turning off the old system, at least in part because they hadn't managed to change everyone's meter yet.

Interesting so they might delay again? Just received an email from my current supplier

"Tariff switching controlled by long wave radio signals on BBC services will no longer be available after 31/03/2024

E.ON Next and the industry need to replace all customers current classic RTS meters by installing a Smart meter solution supported by customers conversations

If we do not exchange the meter, Switching times will gradually drift as the clock will no longer stay in sync."

What does the last sentence actually mean in practice?

Thank you.

It means what it says. Without a reference time signal, the timing clock could drift in either direction; that is, it could switch your offpeak appliances on before the offpeak period starts or vice versa. We have a washing machine which has a time clock that drifts about an hour a year which I suspect is down to the quality of the components.

CSI_Yorkshire

jrh22542254 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Just get it changed. If anything switching will be easier with a SMETS 2 meter fitted.

I am not risking it as my E7 hours change to something I dont like. 

jrh22542254 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

43722 said:

They told me this was going to happen in March 2023. It didn't. Now they say March 2024. 

They delayed turning off the old system, at least in part because they hadn't managed to change everyone's meter yet.

If we do not exchange the meter, Switching times will gradually drift as the clock will no longer stay in sync."

What does the last sentence actually mean in practice?

Thank you.

It means, in practice, that your E7 hours might gradually change to something you don't like.

Scot_39

jrh22542254 said:

Samkel4242 said:

If you are not wanting the RTS service to end and are concerned over it. I would get a smart meter now so you can start getting concerned about the 2g/3g switch off in 2033. 

Not sure I would totally agree. My problem is that in the East Midlands region my E7 hours are 12 midnight to 7am in the winter and 1am to 8am summer. The new meters will be set to 12.15am to 7.15am all year round. I prefer my existing E7 hours and my existing supplier does not have a solution/keeps giving evasive answers. 

The evasive answers maybe because their appear to be different standards depending on supplier and meter model.

Your old meter arguably does what it does because the times are fixed for winter i.e. GMT/UTC - but you think in BST / DST during summer.

I have read fixed times on some supplier FAQs - and users here have said they are not - that thry do move not in utc/gmt - but in clock time i.e. 1 hr for bst.  It's not something people in a call centre necessarily think too carefully about when reading a screen / FAQ.

Think an old mechanical timer switch - if you don't adjust it to read the correct time - it switches at the same physical time (e.g. dusk or dawn) - if you adjust it to match the clock times, to keep it switching at the same physical time - you have to move the pins too. 

My old digital meter - the first replacement for my old radio switched - stayed on GMT.  It lasted only 1-2 years before EOn said no longer supported.

Many older Smart meters remain on GMT for tariff and "night" load switching - old smets1 in my case and at least some smets2 user meter posts here too - so you might stay on that behaviour. 
But the meter knows it is BST or GMT - or at least it's IHD does -  so starts the countdown before midnight / 1 am and then switches - on its displayed time.

There are threads that discuss this that pop up around the gmt bst (utc/dst if you prefer) switches.  And their is no 100% certainty what might happen.

BG for instance on one of their EV tariffs quotes iirc 12-5am all year round - but iirc posts on the subject say it isn't always, and users told  that can depends on whether have BGs preferred smart meter.

But reality is - it is not "your" meter - but your suppliers responsibility - and as Ofgem instructions to suppliers above - your supplier is obligated to replace it before the target date 

QrizB

jrh22542254 said:

... my E7 hours are 12 midnight to 7am in the winter and 1am to 8am summer. The new meters will be set to 12.15am to 7.15am all year round.

I don't recall anyone else reporting that their E7 smart meter changes from UTC in the summer. What makes you think yours will?

(Octopus Go *does* change, but that isn't E7.)

Qyburn

If they went by local time rather that UTC all year round, you'd get only six hours on the day the clocks change GMT to BST, and eight on the day they changed back. 

jrh22542254

Dolor said:

jrh22542254 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

43722 said:

They told me this was going to happen in March 2023. It didn't. Now they say March 2024. 

They delayed turning off the old system, at least in part because they hadn't managed to change everyone's meter yet.

Interesting so they might delay again? Just received an email from my current supplier

"Tariff switching controlled by long wave radio signals on BBC services will no longer be available after 31/03/2024

E.ON Next and the industry need to replace all customers current classic RTS meters by installing a Smart meter solution supported by customers conversations

If we do not exchange the meter, Switching times will gradually drift as the clock will no longer stay in sync."

What does the last sentence actually mean in practice?

Thank you.

It means what it says. Without a reference time signal, the timing clock could drift in either direction; that is, it could switch your offpeak appliances on before the offpeak period starts or vice versa. We have a washing machine which has a time clock that drifts about an hour a year which I suspect is down to the quality of the components.

Ok thanks I didnt realise my radio tele switch had a timing clock? I thought it just switched between E7 and full price electricity. I can hear it click at around 8am to full price electricity in the summer and around 7am in the winter.

jrh22542254

CSI_Yorkshire said:

jrh22542254 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Just get it changed. If anything switching will be easier with a SMETS 2 meter fitted.

I am not risking it as my E7 hours change to something I dont like. 

jrh22542254 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

43722 said:

They told me this was going to happen in March 2023. It didn't. Now they say March 2024. 

They delayed turning off the old system, at least in part because they hadn't managed to change everyone's meter yet.

If we do not exchange the meter, Switching times will gradually drift as the clock will no longer stay in sync."

What does the last sentence actually mean in practice?

Thank you.

It means, in practice, that your E7 hours might gradually change to something you don't like.

Thanks. Which clock are they talking about. Sorry I am a little confused? I dont see a clock on my meter just a radio tele switch? 

jrh22542254

QrizB said:

jrh22542254 said:

... my E7 hours are 12 midnight to 7am in the winter and 1am to 8am summer. The new meters will be set to 12.15am to 7.15am all year round.

I don't recall anyone else reporting that their E7 smart meter changes from UTC in the summer. What makes you think yours will?

(Octopus Go *does* change, but that isn't E7.)

When I contacted my supplier they said the proposed new meter would be set to 12.15am to 7.15am all year round.