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Parking Code evidence - pictures of signs with £50, £60 or £70 PCN and no £ DRA fee on the sign

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  • patient_dream
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    I was a little worried by this statement near the beginning of the "call for evidence" document:
    Draft impact assessment

    Who is this for:

    The government is keen to ensure that any further additional evidence which is material to the impact assessment is gathered through this call for evidence, therefore responses from all interested parties are invited and welcomed.

    However, this call for evidence is technical in nature and is likely to be of most interest to those involved specifically in the private parking industry who are likely to be best placed to assist the government with relevant evidence.
    I feel this sentence alone is enough to show that the government is relying (far too) heavily on the bloodsucking scammers and their cartel ATAs because they believe that 'they' "are likely to be best placed to assist the government with relevant evidence".
    I agree, the DLUHC will be bombarded with replies from the parking industry as to why the mega scam should continue

    Will 
    DLUHC allow the Cartel to continue ?

  • YankeeBrit
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    So much for "Impact Assessments" giving anyone a clue:
    3.3.  An increase in parking charges was to be expected with the ban of vehicle clamping. The 2011 POFA Impact Assessment2 estimated that, in addition to around 1.8m parking charges issued annually at that time, the number of extra tickets would increase initially by 0.5m to total 2.3m parking charges (up 30%) per year and remain at this rate. However, as can be seen from Figure 3.1, the upward trend has not stopped, with the volume of keeper detail requests continuing to rise, from 1.9m in 2012 to 8.4m in 2019. This represents an increase of around 350% within the period. Whilst the volume of requests fell during 2020 likely due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, 2021 data shows a resumption of the upward trend.


  • YankeeBrit
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    Further evidence of the ATA's insidious influence on the draft IA authors:
    3.7.  The increasing number of parking charges has negative impacts on drivers, registered vehicle keepers, parking operators and landowners. For example, drivers and registered vehicle keepers face financial and potentially legal implications. Under the current industry Codes, the maximum parking charge for any contravention is £100 (discounted by 40% for early payment). An additional £70 fee can be added to the original charge for late or non-payment of this charge as part of the debt recovery process. If a parking charge remains unpaid, the driver or registered vehicle keeper can be taken to court to seek a County Court Judgement (CCJ) via the small claims court to enforce the payment, and seek additional legal costs for doing so. If the CCJ remains unpaid it will appear on the driver or registered vehicle keeper’s credit report for six years, which affects an individual’s credit score and can have harmful consequences (such as affecting their ability to borrow money). The fact that CCJs are publicly available also means they can be viewed by potential employers or landlords. Should a parking operator seek to enforce an unpaid judgement, further costs will be incurred that may be recoverable from the driver or registered vehicle keeper.
    Where did that bit of misinformation creep in from? Just because the ex-clampers who control the unregulated ATAs 
    decided to implement the additional £70 fee for their cartel members, where does that translate into the wording above by the author of the draft IA?
  • YankeeBrit
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    An anomaly?:
    3.9.  Based on the existing data, this IA estimates that should things continue as they are, the number of registered vehicle keeper requests, and therefore parking charges, will continue to rise at an average annual growth rate of 3% (based on the historic average growth rate in KADOE values between 2012/13 and 2019/20 – see methodology section for more detail). It is expected that by 2033 private parking operators will make over 12m registered vehicle keeper requests in that calendar year alone to the DVLA.
    This quote from the RAC in November 2022:
    Drivers across the UK have suffered from a 50% increase in the number of parking tickets issued by private companies.

    According to new analysis of data released by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), a record 2.7 million tickets were issued between April and June this year.

    This is an increase from 1.8 million in the same period in 2021.

    The data has revealed that almost 30,000 drivers are issued with parking tickets every day.

    That is an average of nearly 30,000 every day and is up from a total of 1.8 million during the same period last year
    So, according to the DVLA, between April 2022 and June 2022, 2.7 million private parking tickets were issued. Extrapolating from those numbers, that would equate to 10.8 million private parking tickets issued in 2022. That's already just under 30,000 private parking tickets issued daily back in 2022.

    How can the author of the draft IA come up with an annual increase of 3% per year, over 10 years that will only lead to 12 million DVLA requests from private parking operators? Reverse engineering that figure of 12 million PCNs by 2033 using the 3% growth estimate, that would mean that they are only issuing just under 9 million PCNs annually at the moment which equates to just over 24,400 PCNs a day today. Hmmm... if the DVLA quoted figures were already around 30,000 a day last year... figure it out for yourselves. Something stinks with the DVLA numbers.

    Either that or my maths is sh!te.  :|

  • Umkomaas
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    the upward trend has not stopped, with the volume of keeper detail requests continuing to rise, from 1.9m in 2012 to 8.4m in 2019. This represents an increase of around 350% within the period
    The 'upward trend' has definitely not stopped and is escalating exponentially, having risen to 11 million in 2022. Make that an increase over 2012 of 478% within the period. Now that's evidence of something! 🧮
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Castle
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    The increase from 1.9 Million requests in 2012/13 to 8.4 Million in 2019/20 is an annual growth of 20.4% over those 8 years.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 6 August 2023 at 12:06PM
    Castle said:
    The increase from 1.9 Million requests in 2012/13 to 8.4 Million in 2019/20 is an annual growth of 20.4% over those 8 years.
    I think respondents should point that error out because the risk is far higher, surely.

    "It is expected that by 2033 private parking operators will make over 12m registered vehicle keeper requests in that calendar year alone to the DVLA."

    When I read this I also thought  it was certainly  badly underestimated, or a typo because if the upward trend continues and the figures are 11m this year, how can it be only 12m in ten years' time?:

    Do they mean 2023 (this year)?
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  • Castle said:
    The increase from 1.9 Million requests in 2012/13 to 8.4 Million in 2019/20 is an annual growth of 20.4% over those 8 years.
    Are there any statistics for the growth in the number of ANPR cameras used in private car parks?  
  • Coupon-mad
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    No because in many cases they don't bother with planning permission, so there are zero records.
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  • patient_dream
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    Let's see if government is again sucked in by the clap trap of the ATA's 
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