Parking Code evidence - pictures of signs with £50, £60 or £70 PCN and no £ DRA fee on the sign

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City of London Cemetry, Aldersbrook Rd, Manor Park, London. No PPC.

Umkomaas

Plas Coch RP (Premier Park Ltd) however previously banned people from walking off site every day. And of course £100 PCNs were raised against people popping over from Boots or other stores, to Sainsburys or Aldis to pick up incidentals, as you do. (plus anyone who parked and went to the football when the retail park shops were closed.) It caused problems.

https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/20299003.wrexham-change-controversial-parking-regulations-retail-park/

It took involvement of the media and the property manager Savills to produce the now sensible match days only application of parking restrictions including walking off site.

Premiere Park Ltd were forced to abandon their policy of confusion when faced by public opinion, local politicians  AND the Property Manager, Savills

Savills have always seemed to be one of the more enlightened Property Managers where parking is concerned. Why they feel they need to use PPCs has never been articulated. But, they're always prepared to have individual PCNs cancelled for genuine shoppers. 

kryten3000

TomOrrow said:

Plas Coch Retail Park Wrexham (Currys, Boots TK Max, Pets at Home and Costa), is walking distance from Rob & Ryan’s Wrexham FC football ground and Glyndwr University campus. Seemingly part of, but not part of the retail park, are Sainsburys (Euro Car Parks), Aldi (Parking Eye) and Plas Coch pub (no parking controls).  

Sainsburys (Euro Car Parks) have historically handled the car parking threat on match days sensibly as per notices (3 hrs free parking, reduced to 1.5hrs on match days), no restriction on walking off site,  a max charge of £85, and genuinely try to prevent problems with clear signage.

Plas Coch RP (Premier Park Ltd) however previously banned people from walking off site every day. And of course £100 PCNs were raised against people popping over from Boots or other stores, to Sainsburys or Aldis to pick up incidentals, as you do. (plus anyone who parked and went to the football when the retail park shops were closed.) It caused problems.

https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/20299003.wrexham-change-controversial-parking-regulations-retail-park/

It took involvement of the media and the property manager Savills to produce the now sensible match days only application of parking restrictions including walking off site.

As someone with zero interest in football, I would be interested to know how are these match/event days signposted to drivers? I would literally have no idea without additional signage to alert me.

Fruitcake

Coupon-mad said:

@Fruitcake and @Snakes_Belly do you think you might be able to get evidence of this from the horse's mouth, like I suggested to @kryten3000 about MK Estates?

There are certain people (naming none here) that I'll write to when we are back from our holiday.

I want to encourage landowners stung by a PPC over the years, and local councillors to respond to the call for evidence.  Or to reply to an email with their experience that I can use as evidence rather than hearsay news articles.

Anyone in Norwich?

Their Councillors could give good evidence about how NPC have ruined the city.

These are the words used by Christie Estates to confirm DSFP were no longer operating at their Sandhills, Devon beach car.

From March 1st, Christie Estates will be taking over the management of Sandhills car park in Instow through an operating company called NDCI Ltd. The Estate has been working with the local community for input on new signage and improvements to the visitor experience. This includes transparency of messaging, the addition of a contactless payment facility and a free 15 minute drop off and go period. While enforcement measures will remain in place, it is hoped the removal of ANPR cameras and a more open management approach will mark a new chapter for the car park and serve the best interests of the local community and visitors to Instow.

This week there will be a transition period where there will be some disruption whilst surfacing works are being undertaken, and the machines and signage are being upgraded. Please bear with us during this time which may require the car park to be closed for a short period early in the week.

I'll ask Rachael over at the Sandhills Action Group if she has a hard copy or an email from the landowner to support this.

TomOrrow

kryten3000 said:

TomOrrow said:

Plas Coch Retail Park Wrexham (Currys, Boots TK Max, Pets at Home and Costa), is walking distance from Rob & Ryan’s Wrexham FC football ground and Glyndwr University campus. Seemingly part of, but not part of the retail park, are Sainsburys (Euro Car Parks), Aldi (Parking Eye) and Plas Coch pub (no parking controls).  

Sainsburys (Euro Car Parks) have historically handled the car parking threat on match days sensibly as per notices (3 hrs free parking, reduced to 1.5hrs on match days), no restriction on walking off site,  a max charge of £85, and genuinely try to prevent problems with clear signage.

Plas Coch RP (Premier Park Ltd) however previously banned people from walking off site every day. And of course £100 PCNs were raised against people popping over from Boots or other stores, to Sainsburys or Aldis to pick up incidentals, as you do. (plus anyone who parked and went to the football when the retail park shops were closed.) It caused problems.

https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/20299003.wrexham-change-controversial-parking-regulations-retail-park/

It took involvement of the media and the property manager Savills to produce the now sensible match days only application of parking restrictions including walking off site.

As someone with zero interest in football, I would be interested to know how are these match/event days signposted to drivers? I would literally have no idea without additional signage to alert me.

Good point, and relevant for visitors.  Locals just know. Police signs, road closures & crowd noise are also giveaways.

Nellymoser

NHS Tayside Dundee DD2 Scotland. FREE PARKING  PPC  PCN £60 for nonadherence to T&Cs.

 

 
 

Grizebeck

Two week extension 

Umkomaas

SABA T&Cs as hideously detailed and in even smaller print than those of NCP. The DLUHC must make some statement about what can/can't be loaded onto a motorist by the totally innocent, everyday action of parking one's car!

Nellymoser

Umkomaas said:

SABA T&Cs as hideously detailed and in even smaller print than those of NCP. The DLUHC must make some statement about what can/can't be loaded onto a motorist by the totally innocent, everyday action of parking one's car!

Agree. The DLUHC asked for any other evidence to be forwarded so I intend to highlight this and include these T&Cs sign examples along with other evidence I wish to provide in an email to DLUHC titled "other relevant evidence" 

Fruitcake

The opposite of carmaggedon.

Britain's ghost car parks: How WFH boom has rendered car parks that cost millions to build 'white elephants' that lie empty or are left to the mercy of boy racers - as locals blast 'complete waste of money' (msn.com)

Perhaps the DLUHC should ask the parking industry how they would manage these car parks to increase usage.