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Parking Code evidence - pictures of signs with £50, £60 or £70 PCN and no £ DRA fee on the sign
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I think your logic is right Fruitcake, but it's not a lousy business model at all if you are a bulk litigator because those unpaid 85% will earn even more money and CCJs IS WHAT THEY SEEM TO SEEK..
But it all makes my eyes bleed too.
Please check my sums here (below) folliwing a discussion I had with my local friend @ParkingMad off-forum:The draft IA figures show that the top 5 PPCs and bulk litigators (two PPCs and three Roboclaim 'legals') together issued a shocking 264000 claims in 2022.So if 91% of these were default judgments (MoJ latest stats say this is the usual % of default CCJs across the board) at say, £270 each (for a single PCN per claim), that makes at least £65 million last year grabbed by CCJ and going to those top 5 litigators alone.
But it's worse:
From this I can estimate that the number of total parking claims is likely to be close to 400k small claims each year (with 'you know who Legal' responsible for a QUARTER of these claims) when you add all the other likely annual parking claims not in the top 5. There are more than three roboclaim firms in this game who are fairly prolific but nowhere near 'top 5' and I can think of three or four high-claim PPCs who do their own claims sometimes yet only two of them feature in the MoJ stats so it's easily going to be well over 300k.
But:
We and the DLUHC know that 35-40% of claims would actually have been for multiple PCNs (and these people are not necessarily 'repeat offenders' which I find an abusive phrase).
So, assuming c400,000 total annual parking claims which will (including the multi-PCN ones, court fees and fake add-ons per PCN and allowing for some huge ones) certainly average at least £500 per claim.
This will likely = close to £200 million p.a. extracted from the public for all parking cases, if they enforced them all (very few are defended so I've ignored them).
This is FAR higher than we knew.
We had thought there were maybe 120k small claims (ten times the number of hearings). But it's got to be at least 3 times that estimate!
And that doesn't include all the cases paid for £170 out of fear before litigation (which would be a lot, lot more than claims).
A clear abuse.
How can the MoJ stand back and just let this happen since 2012?
Also, don't their own figures prove that adding £70 doesn't work as a deterrent? Of course it's not - but that is how they are painting it.
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I read this as an "evidence gathering" phase and, hopefully, all those pleas that @Coupon-mad has been requesting for posters to supply evidence over the last several months will be useful. I have NO evidence, not having been in the position of most of our posters and some of our regulars. I do have lots of anecdotal evidence collected from this forum but that will be hearsay! Will that count? Of course, I have an opinion!2
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Le_Kirk said:I read this as an "evidence gathering" phase and, hopefully, all those pleas that @Coupon-mad has been requesting for posters to supply evidence over the last several months will be useful. I have NO evidence, not having been in the position of most of our posters and some of our regulars. I do have lots of anecdotal evidence collected from this forum but that will be hearsay! Will that count? Of course, I have an opinion!
The question must be ... have the DLUHC lost all the prior evidence that enabled Sunak to approve the bill and then pass it into law.
Or are they once again listening to the BPA propaganda and cartel. Have government got such a short memory they have forgotten they were duped by the BPA with POFA 2012 ??
Is the DLUHC ABOUT TO BE DUPED AGAIN2 -
patient_dream said:Le_Kirk said:I read this as an "evidence gathering" phase and, hopefully, all those pleas that @Coupon-mad has been requesting for posters to supply evidence over the last several months will be useful. I have NO evidence, not having been in the position of most of our posters and some of our regulars. I do have lots of anecdotal evidence collected from this forum but that will be hearsay! Will that count? Of course, I have an opinion!
The question must be ... have the DLUHC lost all the prior evidence that enabled Sunak to approve the bill and then pass it into law.
Or are they once again listening to the BPA propaganda and cartel. Have government got such a short memory they have forgotten they were duped by the BPA with POFA 2012 ??
Is the DLUHC ABOUT TO BE DUPED AGAIN
Here's what the Local Government Minister said at the time:-
Drivers to receive greater protection against rogue private parking operators - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)5 -
Castle said:patient_dream said:Le_Kirk said:I read this as an "evidence gathering" phase and, hopefully, all those pleas that @Coupon-mad has been requesting for posters to supply evidence over the last several months will be useful. I have NO evidence, not having been in the position of most of our posters and some of our regulars. I do have lots of anecdotal evidence collected from this forum but that will be hearsay! Will that count? Of course, I have an opinion!
The question must be ... have the DLUHC lost all the prior evidence that enabled Sunak to approve the bill and then pass it into law.
Or are they once again listening to the BPA propaganda and cartel. Have government got such a short memory they have forgotten they were duped by the BPA with POFA 2012 ??
Is the DLUHC ABOUT TO BE DUPED AGAIN
Here's what the Local Government Minister said at the time:-
Drivers to receive greater protection against rogue private parking operators - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
And Sunak said ...
Motorists across Britain will have greater protections against bogus parking fines as new measures to clamp down on rogue private parking firms become law.
Did he forget to tell Gove or is now the time to refresh his memory1 -
@Coupon-mad : is there anything we can submit to this process either individually or as a group ?
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FrankCannon said:@Coupon-mad : is there anything we can submit to this process either individually or as a group ?
There is also a question about consumer behaviour and deterrents, so anything anyone can find by way of research on that, would be worth digging for.
A positive summary:
https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/driving-law-changes-parking-rules
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With regard to debt recovery I don't think that the PPC's or their agents understand how the motorist regards the so called "debt". With many like myself it is a matter of principle and I would not even engage with these bottom feeders. To some however many letters are sent they just will not have the funds to pay so the debt will increase and this person is likely to end up with a CCJ.
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I quite like that they are going through every stage of the process, to make sure that all the JR's these companies keep throwing money at will be fruitless when it does eventually go through. It seems that they are trying to prevent the debacle of the 2022, which was withdrawn.
Does anyone happen to have a link for the exact wording of this one?
Will the wording for other related parts be similar to the 2022 parking code of conduct that was withdrawn, I.e the exemption considerations etc?2 -
Is there any mention in the code of when the speculative invoice becomes a debt?
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