Parking Code evidence - pictures of signs with £50, £60 or £70 PCN and no £ DRA fee on the sign

kryten3000

On the other side of the road from Lidl/Tesco Express is the Grafton Retail Park, Oldbrook, Milton Keynes.

There's no parking management here other than a few basic signs stating parking is for tenants and customers only.

Despite the total lack of enforcement, everyone is parked properly.





An optimistic sign, presumably installed by the hairdressers as it is the only one there.

Snakes_Belly

I have started working on the email and I don't know how others are approaching this but I am taking each option and discussing the pros and cons. Naturally some options will be all cons and examples will be included.

 

nigsy1

Aldi Stockton-on-Tees 

Fruitcake

Snakes_Belly said:

I have started working on the email and I don't know how others are approaching this but I am taking each option and discussing the pros and cons. Naturally some options will be all cons and examples will be included.

 

I'm going through the points one by one and noting my response in a word document. I'll then copy and paste and email a response to each point individually. One email per point.

SergeiK

Chelmsford poorly maintained/faded signs also been ‘adjusted’
signs clearly haven’t been replaced since pre PoFA

Coupon-mad

kryten3000 said:

The notorious Willen Lake car park, under new management (was Napier now Smart).  Charge is £50 and you can pay up to 48 hours after leaving the car park.  This car park is usually quite busy, while I was there I saw many people queuing to make payment.  These signs are above the speed limit sign in the first picture.  Of course there's no indication of *when* the charge is due, only that the discount applies if paid within 14 days.

(GSV is very outdated for this location)

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Despite wordy signs, I'd say 'this is what good looks like', as is your pic of the Co-op sign where blue badge holders are not restricted to 1 hour.

Smart (unusually) are considered 'good' here because:

- they let you pay at any time and even 48 hrs later (not that you'd know once home);

- the PCN value is large/bold and it's £50;

- they replaced Napier who IMHO ripped people off.

Can you recall what Napier's PCN £ was?

I'm on my hols somewhere hot but thankyou all again for these wonderful evidence photos.

Keep 'em coming!

pdel61

I wish there were more parking sites like that, 10% discount if you pay by ringo as opposed to often having to pay more and you can pay after you've left which means you don't need to guess how long you'll be there.

Fruitcake

SergeiK said:

Chelmsford poorly maintained/faded signs also been ‘adjusted’
signs clearly haven’t been replaced since pre PoFA

Perfect examples for,

Q1.4 What is the average cost of updating signage, and how often this is required?

Answer,  Zero and, Never

Q1.5 What is the average cost of maintaining signage?

Answer, Zero

This sort of thing must be highlighted to the DLUHC by us with as many examples as possible.

Fruitcake

We also need evidence where a PPC has caused so many problems for the landowner/retailer that they have been booted out, ideally without another PPC being brought in.

For example, Christie Estates terminated their parking contract with DSFP at their Sandhills beach car park, Devon in March 2021 and took over parking management themselves due to the number of complaints, loss of business, and loss of revenue to local businesses caused by the unfair and aggressive tactics of the parking operator.
I believe this would constitute the opposite of carmageddon. 

kryten3000

Coupon-mad said:

Despite wordy signs, I'd say 'this is what good looks like', as is your pic of the Co-op sign where blue badge holders are not restricted to 1 hour.

Smart (unusually) are considered 'good' here because:

- they let you pay at any time and even 48 hrs later (not that you'd know once home);

- the PCN value is large/bold and it's £50;

- they replaced Napier who INMO ripped people off.

Can you recall what Napier's PCN £ was?

I'm on my hols somewhere hot but thankyou all again for these wonderful evidence photos.

Keep 'em coming!

When Napier were at Willen Lake, the charge was definitely £100. 

All the MK Parks Trust car parks (that charge) are now Smart with the PCN set at £50.  I think this might be due to timing as the draft statutory code was newly released  when they took over.  If I recall, the changeover was quite sudden.  Perhaps the Trust got fed up with Napier or Smart offered a better share of the revenue from ticket sales.