G24 Ltd/B &M

Jopex

Hi I have this morning received a final notice demand for payment from G24 Ltd.  I was parked in the B&M car park that date but I never received an initial PCN for £50 just this final demand for a £90 payment.  It states on the reverse of the letter that it is now too late to appeal the parking charge unless there are mitigating circumstances.  Well I could hardly pay a fine  I didn’t know existed in the first place.  I’m very unsure as to whether this is legitimate and am leaning towards not paying it.  Any advice would be very welcome.

Half_way

it's not a fine, please take a look at the newbies section/sticky.
You should also have 12months to dispute this under ADR in consumer contract legislation

Coupon-mad

Jopex said:

Hi I have this morning received a final notice demand for payment from G24 Ltd.  I was parked in the B&M car park that date but I never received an initial PCN for £50 just this final demand for a £90 payment.  It states on the reverse of the letter that it is now too late to appeal the parking charge unless there are mitigating circumstances.  Well I could hardly pay a fine  I didn’t know existed in the first place.  I’m very unsure as to whether this is legitimate and am leaning towards not paying it.  Any advice would be very welcome.

What happened when you complained to B&M to cancel this dross?

it's not a fine.

Jopex

I’ve just received a response from G24 stating that my suggestion that their parking charge is not a pre-estimate of loss is incorrect and that in the case of Robophone Facilities v Blank the onus of proving that an amount claimed is a penalty rather than liquidated damages is upon you (as the party against whom the parking charge is claimed). The courts position is that where the parties to a contract agree to fix the amount which is to be paid by was of damages.The basis of the contract detailed on their signage is the sum stipulated in this way. They insist their parking charges are fully enforceable and do not amount to a penalty?
They said that I am entitled to an appeal via IAS within 21 days.
The deny that they do not have authority to issue charges over the land where the car park is located. They assure me that they have a contract with the owners of the car park.
They are saying that if a) receiving payment of the parking charge or b) being provided with the nae and address of the driver of the vehicle at the time.The protections of Freedoms Act 2012 (schedule 4) gives them authority to write to the registered keeper to obtain payment.
They are now stating that the amount owed is £50 instead of £90 they originally demanded in their Final Demand letter.
They give me 3 options. To either pay the parking charge. 2. To appeal to The Independent Appeals Service or 3 Do nothing and they will start debt recovery and court action.

Any advice on what to do next would be very welcome.

Coupon-mad

my suggestion that their parking charge is not a pre-estimate of loss is incorrect.

Yes they are right.  Where did you find that outdated thing?!  It was kicked out by the Supreme Court eight years ago in ParkingEye v Beavis.  No-one uses the 'no loss' argument.

The NEWBIES thread explains all stages and nowhere does it say talk about 'no GPEOL'.

Obviously you let them send daft debt letters!

Again fully explained in the NEWBIES FAQS.  The 4th post is all about ignoring the debt threatograms.

No-one pays G24.  Ignore them, of course, as the NEWBIES thread explains. 

Your stage is fully covered in post 3 and 4 of the NEWBIES FAQS Announcement thread to 'please read first'.  Top of the forum, 2 clicks away - and you have 2 links to page one on this page already