Charge Notice provided by Vehicle Control Services

RiddlerReturns

Hi All

Today I received a CN from VCS dated offence is 27-02-2023, Issue date is 19-07-23
I can't even remember the alleged event, however they have supplied 3 images kindly for me.
My question is really around the large time it has taken them to send this to me.
Is this within in the allotted time? I had read that it should be within 28 days, however is this right?
If it is then I may have to stomach this and pay the £60 that rises to £100 if not paid in 14 days from receipt of the letter.

 

Coupon-mad

Of course you aren't going to pay it under any circumstances unless a Judge tells you to.

Please read NEWBIES PLEASE READ THESE FAQS FIRST where the law and appeals are explained.  This is easy enough to handle as long as the driver is NOT implied in your appeal, hence why I'm signposting you back to the NEWBIES thread where the template appeal is.

Fruitcake

Plan A is always a complaint from the registered keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If the charge notice is not a reminder, but the original parking charge notice, then appeal as advised if a landowner cancellation is not forthcoming. Use the template in blue text from the NEWBIES, sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

RiddlerReturns

Thank you, so much for all the advice. I will do as advised by you both and report back on how it is going

RiddlerReturns

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the registered keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If the charge notice is not a reminder, but the original parking charge notice, then appeal as advised if a landowner cancellation is not forthcoming. Use the template in blue text from the NEWBIES, sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

I have spent time trying to find a template on the newbie site and I have not been able to find one at all relating to a CN. Can you please help me to find one?

KeithP

RiddlerReturns said:

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the registered keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If the charge notice is not a reminder, but the original parking charge notice, then appeal as advised if a landowner cancellation is not forthcoming. Use the template in blue text from the NEWBIES, sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

I have spent time trying to find a template on the newbie site and I have not been able to find one at all relating to a CN. Can you please help me to find one?

OK, lets do this slowly.

Over two weeks ago it was suggested that you use the blue text template from the NEWBIES thread.

Have you found the NEWBIES thread yet?

If so, scroll down it to the second  post where you will find the aforementioned 'template in blue text'.

Please post again when you have found that template appeal.

RiddlerReturns

KeithP said:

RiddlerReturns said:

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the registered keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If the charge notice is not a reminder, but the original parking charge notice, then appeal as advised if a landowner cancellation is not forthcoming. Use the template in blue text from the NEWBIES, sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

I have spent time trying to find a template on the newbie site and I have not been able to find one at all relating to a CN. Can you please help me to find one?

OK, lets do this slowly.

Over two weeks ago it was suggested that you use the blue text template from the NEWBIES thread.

Have you found the NEWBIES thread yet?

If so, scroll down it to the second  post where you will find the aforementioned 'template in blue text'.

Please post again when you have found that template appeal.

Hi Keith

Firstly thank you for your help. I did find the following template.

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

However this is for a PCN and also refers to a PDT machine, would this be relevant for a CN?

RiddlerReturns

RiddlerReturns said:

KeithP said:

RiddlerReturns said:

Fruitcake said:

Plan A is always a complaint from the registered keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP.

If the charge notice is not a reminder, but the original parking charge notice, then appeal as advised if a landowner cancellation is not forthcoming. Use the template in blue text from the NEWBIES, sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

I have spent time trying to find a template on the newbie site and I have not been able to find one at all relating to a CN. Can you please help me to find one?

OK, lets do this slowly.

Over two weeks ago it was suggested that you use the blue text template from the NEWBIES thread.

Have you found the NEWBIES thread yet?

If so, scroll down it to the second  post where you will find the aforementioned 'template in blue text'.

Please post again when you have found that template appeal.

Hi Keith

Firstly thank you for your help. I did find the following template.

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

However this is for a PCN and also refers to a PDT machine, would this be relevant for a CN?

Also using this template there is no mention of the "time taken" to send this CN to me as they suggest that this took place on 27/02/2023 and yet sent this out on 19/07/2023. The website they have you go to in order to contest has you answer a question immediately as to if your the driver or keep, so I select keep. It is set of questions with a small box at the end for other, which I would use for the template

KeithP

@Fruitcake suggested...

...sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

You can either follow that guidance or not... your choice.

RiddlerReturns

KeithP said:

@Fruitcake suggested...

...sent from the keeper and unaltered save for a one liner that since the NTK was given too late for keeper liability to apply, they should cancel now to save themselves money.

You can either follow that guidance or not... your choice.

Thank you everyone, I made this look difficult I know. I was wanting to make sure that I didn't type say or do anything against the advise given to maximise the chance of a successful appeal. I have submitted my appeal using the Blue template and added the line suggested by @Fruitcake

RiddlerReturns

I have had a reply from the company with the following

Site: Liverpool John Lennon Airport Post Code: L24 1YD
Contravention Date: 27/02/2023
We refer to your appeal in respect of the above Charge Notice (CN) received on 10/08/2023.
Having considered the points you have raised and reviewed our records, we are unable to accept your appeal. Our
main reason(s) for this decision are as follows:
The signs at the entrance to the Liverpool John Lennon Airport and the access roads within, clearly state "No
Stopping", giving clear notice that the land is private property and that a Charge of £100 will be levied if vehicles do
stop. The above detailed vehicle stopped in a zone where stopping is prohibited and the driver became liable to pay
that Charge.
In your appeal it is unclear who the driver was when your vehicle was seen to be stopped on the access road.
It is important we highlight that we will continue to pursue this matter on the reasonable assumption that you were the
driver of the vehicle on the date in question until information/evidence to the contrary is provided.
A review of our CCTV evidence has confirmed that on the date in question, your vehicle stopped to collect a
passenger on the access road where restrictions apply.
There are more than 70 high profile signs advising drivers not to stop and warning that if a driver does stop, a charge
of £100 is payable. The signs exceed recognised industry standards, with some as large as 2m by 1.1m (6ft 6in by
3ft 7in) which clearly state "No Stopping" alongside the nationally recognised Highway Code symbol for a Clearway
(No Stopping). Furthermore, the signage on the approach road is reflective and positioned to face oncoming vehicles
and the text size used is relative to the average approach speed of a vehicle in relation to the speed limit in force at
that location.
We have fully reviewed this case and we are satisfied that the Charge Notice was correctly issued. We are unable to
accept the mitigating circumstances raised in your representations, your appeal is therefore rejected and the Charge
will stand; photographic evidence which supports this can be viewed at www.myparkingcharge.co.uk