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NCP "Pay Later" appears on website for car park but not available in reality - I now have Penalty

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  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
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    edited 29 June 2023 at 8:08PM
    The one headed "12 January 2014 at 8:43PM edited 26 July 2018 at 11:33AM
    SECOND STAGE APPEAL - POPLA OR IAS POPLA IS OFFERED BY BPA AOS FIRMS"?
    Yes, you have linked to the 3rd post of the NEWBIES thread, but you don't appear to have used any of the example found there.
  • L17Limited
    L17Limited Posts: 12 Forumite
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    I'm spending time looking at other cases but can't see any that are identical to mine. 
    Obviously I have to refer to my specific circumstances. If nothing else, the result of my appeal to will be instructive to others. 
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,734 Forumite
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    I'm spending time looking at other cases but can't see any that are identical to mine. 
    And the very first W&A in the NEWBIES thread says:


    ''I have read the NEWBIES thread but cannot find anything specific to my case...my case is different''. 

    NO IT ISN'TYOU DO NOT NEED SPECIFICS. FORGET THE DETAIL, MOST CASES ARE ALL THE SAME.

    ''Is this info up to date, because this thread was started in 2013?'' 

    YES, IT IS. SEE THE DATE LAST EDITED (RECENTLY!) AS SHOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST.


    You do not need specifics to win a POPLA appeal.

    Please believe us. We've been doing this for over a decade now, and if you want the best chance, add the relevant template points.

    POPLA is not completely independent and nor are their Assessors legally trained.  Nor is it fair, nor does it exist mainly to help motorists (it exists to give a veil of legitimacy to its paymasters)  and nor does it consider any laws except the POFA (that you can't use because you admitted to driving).


    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • L17Limited
    L17Limited Posts: 12 Forumite
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    edited 30 June 2023 at 1:14PM
    That's not a POPLA Appeal as shown in the NEWBIES thread 3rd post. It will lose.

    ‘Pal Later’ is a typo.
    OK: How about - "Paragraph 21.1 of the BPA Code of Practice advises operators that they may use ANPR camera technology to manage, control and enforce parking in private car parks, as long as they do this in a reasonable, consistent and transparent manner. The Code of Practice requires that car park signs must tell drivers that the operator is using this technology and what it will use the data captured by ANPR cameras for."

    I think this cuts both ways as NCP have not clearly stated that the ANPR cameras at the site were only being used for enforcement. 


  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,734 Forumite
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    That one works but you appear to have missed the two obvious templates used in every POPLA case:

    - unclear signs (£100 is buried in small print)

    - no landowner authority for NCP to litigate


    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • L17Limited
    L17Limited Posts: 12 Forumite
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    I've checked with Merseyrail and they say NCP own the site.

    The signage shouts about the Penalty Fee - the actual tariffs for the site are microscopic in comparison.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,734 Forumite
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    It's not a Penalty.

    Why do you believe that NCP own the car park? Make NCP prove landowner authority and their standing.

    It's such a shame the 100% winning point was binned - makes this hit and miss now - but you know already to ignore if you lose.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • L17Limited
    L17Limited Posts: 12 Forumite
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    This is handy.  If you want to know which is or is not a participating ANPR ticketless car parks you get this:

  • L17,

    I think you are missing the vital point that is being explained to you. The section you need in the Newbies thread is this one:

    SECOND STAGE APPEAL - POPLA OR IAS



    POPLA IS OFFERED BY BPA AOS FIRMS

    DO NOT APPEAL SAYING WHO WAS DRIVING, NEITHER AT FIRST APPEAL STAGE NOR AT POPLA.

    POPLA Appeals are submitted here:

    http://www.popla.co.uk/n

    Underneath that there is an example of what a POPLA appeal looks like (clue - not like your draft above).

    Underneath the example are links to 10 or more appeal points, each one in lengthy. What you do is cut and paste all the ones that you can use for your case - you have been given a few hints already, into a document that looks like the "example" version. 

    I hope this makes sense and is clear. You are obsessing about the later payment not available, and it not being communicated, that is a minor point, all the other points are more important. 

    Paul
  • L17Limited
    L17Limited Posts: 12 Forumite
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    I get it but I contacted NCP giving all my details when I tried to make my payment.
    This was well before the PCN was issued. So the first option is not open to me.


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