Noise from club

simon_or

A club/pub will create some noise and disturbance in the neighbouring area. Whether it's a reasonable disturbance or not can vary hugely depending on how the establishment is run.

I used to live close to a popular pub in Rotherhite many years ago and you wouldn't know it was there after a certain hour because they closed off the outdoor seating and didn't allow patrons to go outside the door with glasses or bottles after that time. That contained the noise as best as they could.

Another owner could adopt a much more lackadaisal attitude which would mean an entirely different environment for the neighbours. 

This argument that if you knew it was a pub you can't complain doesn't make any sense to me.

If the noise levels are consistently unreasonable then you are absolutely right to explore your options with the council. 

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housebuyer143 said:

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Grizebeck said:

Why on earth did you move there then
This was an issue in the gay village in birmingham. New flats built near bars and clubs. They started complaining
Just accept it.
Stop moaning about a business that was there before you.
And no you have no claim on the small claims track. What exactly is your loss?

It's Britain, a lot of people don't have a free choice of what they live next to. Maybe it's the council's fault for granting planning permission so close to such a venue, maybe it's the venue's fault for deciding to start doing loud events.

We don't know what happened but already there are a number of people blaming the OP. This place really is hostile.

OP, start a diary of when there is noise. The council may just be waiting to see if the problem goes away, or understaffed and needing you to do the work of building up evidence.

They are not blaming the OP, just asking if they moved in after this venue was set up. 
You can't live next to an established club etc and not expect noise.

No, they are definitely blaming. They don't just ask the question, they get in the blame on the assumption of an answer.

Maybe some people need to learn how to ask a question nicely, but I think they know what they are doing.

jonnydeppiwish!

[Deleted User] said:

housebuyer143 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Grizebeck said:

Why on earth did you move there then
This was an issue in the gay village in birmingham. New flats built near bars and clubs. They started complaining
Just accept it.
Stop moaning about a business that was there before you.
And no you have no claim on the small claims track. What exactly is your loss?

It's Britain, a lot of people don't have a free choice of what they live next to. Maybe it's the council's fault for granting planning permission so close to such a venue, maybe it's the venue's fault for deciding to start doing loud events.

We don't know what happened but already there are a number of people blaming the OP. This place really is hostile.

OP, start a diary of when there is noise. The council may just be waiting to see if the problem goes away, or understaffed and needing you to do the work of building up evidence.

They are not blaming the OP, just asking if they moved in after this venue was set up. 
You can't live next to an established club etc and not expect noise.

No, they are definitely blaming. They don't just ask the question, they get in the blame on the assumption of an answer.

Maybe some people need to learn how to ask a question nicely, but I think they know what they are doing.

I’m not blaming anyone, I just asked the question. Given the Op hasn’t replied, one would assume that it was there prior.

Sometimes people actually need to admit they may have made a mistake rather than being mummied all the time, with members telling them it’s all the venue’s fault, regardless of it being there prior.

CKhalvashi

To give OP the flip side here;

We create quite a bit of 'noise' (from live music) in pubs as a business activity and always plan for amps off by 21:30, meaning we won't continue past 22:00 even in the event of a delay. We ensure that doors are closed during performances after 21:00 as a company policy, so working with other businesses we do try to limit the amount of noise created. We had several complaints at 1 venue several years ago regarding noise when packing up, we worked with the residents in question to find a solution, which happened to be as simple as carpeting the floor and lower half of the bulkhead of the vans (we use wheeled containers so they still slide across the carpet just as easily).

OP doesn't specify the times either, however 22:00 on Friday/Saturday is reasonable to me. We tend to go into most venues on varying nights once a month (some of those we work with prefer Mondays/Tuesdays as they're quiet and it brings in additional business), but we do try to consider the needs of the communities we serve as we understand what we do isn't right for everyone.

I also agree that if the pub was there before and operating live events (we don't hide what we do, all venues we work with hold appropriate planning permission and I'd never buy a house without visiting a few of the pubs before anyway) they should not be subject to complaints.

Silvertabby

Like the people who buy houses near operational RAF bases because the houses are cheap(er) because of the noise - then complain about the noise.

Mind you, when a small private housing estate was built very near to a local church, the houses came with a permanent covenant that the church had bells, that said bells would be rung on Sundays/at weddings/for practice/other occasions as required, and that any complaints about 'the noise' would be ignored.  Or words to that effect 

YoungBlueEyes

I agree with jonnydepp on this one. Although it hasn’t been established which came first - the club or the OP - people need to accept an amount of responsibility for their actions. Moving into a cheaper-than-it-would-otherwise-be house because it’s next to a club/church/railway line/military base is on them, and noise complaints should be ignored. (Excepting noise that falls outside of the relevant rules and regs.) 

Would it be possible to have a gentle word with the club owners, to see if a bit of compromise might be reached? You say it’s Friday and Saturday afternoon and evening hours. Perhaps they might warn you of a particularly lively band so you could go out for those times? 

user1977

I would say first step would be to check their planning conditions (if any) and licensing conditions to see if anything specific is being breached e.g. curfew for al fresco drinking, restrictions on music, soundproofing measures, etc.

mark_cycling00

The council will ignore one person complaining. If you get together with your neighbours and respectfully approach the council, making it clear that you're going complain indefinitely, then you have a good chance of having the noise stopped. 

However you'll forever be known as the person who ruined the local pub (and potentially blamed if it goes out of business)

That also has long term implications and needs to be considered too.