We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide

6 months Assured Shorthold Tenancy - Changing locks....

12346»

Comments

  • gazfocus
    gazfocus Posts: 2,509 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 8 June 2023 at 3:43PM
    As someone who has been a landlord myself, I would not object to you changing the locks if it meant you felt safer. The only reason a landlord could reasonably object (in my view) is so they are able to access the house in an emergency, however, if it was that crucial that I got into the house (a fire, gas smell, etc), I would be breaking the door down if I didn't have a key.

    On the other hand, it should be pointed out that if the landlord has bought new build properties to rent out, the chances are they have a fair number of rental properties and this is a business for them. They are not likely to be interested in coming into your home in the middle of the night, or while you're not there. For me, when I have a tenant in a house, I don't even think about the house until I get notifications pop up on my calendar that a gas safety check/EICR/Inspection/etc is due, etc. 
  • Ryan_Holden
    Ryan_Holden Posts: 261 Forumite
    100 Posts Second Anniversary Name Dropper
    user1977 said:
    Comparing it with lighting a fire in the living room is ridiculous and unnecessary.

    "if my tenant changed the locks I'd serve them notice" - Another landlord that thinks they are god.  
    It's completely valid, it's an extreme example of course, but it is to show that the tenancy agreement does not have to detail everything that you are not allowed to do in or to the property

    I don't think I'm God, what a breathtakingly entitled thing to say.

    It's not the tenant's property so why is there an assumption they have an automatic right to make modifications (that will affect the landlords liability) without permission?

    A landlord has a right to protect themselves and their asset.

    Example: The tenant goes away for the week, it's a flat, there's a water leak reported by an adjacent neighbour. The landlord or their contractor uses their key to gain emergency access to stop further damage to their property and the neighbours property only to find they can't get in because the locks have been changed.

    The landlord can't break down the door and as a result has to call a locksmith.
    Why can't they break down the door? Why hasn't the neighbour already kicked the door in or got a locksmith round? There is no general requirement for landlords to hold keys. Landlords of commercial properties may have similar concerns but hardly ever are permitted to hold keys.
    It's a hypothetical example, they may not be strong enough. 

    Commercial leases are not residential tenancies. 
  • user1977
    user1977 Posts: 19,427 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    user1977 said:
    Comparing it with lighting a fire in the living room is ridiculous and unnecessary.

    "if my tenant changed the locks I'd serve them notice" - Another landlord that thinks they are god.  
    It's completely valid, it's an extreme example of course, but it is to show that the tenancy agreement does not have to detail everything that you are not allowed to do in or to the property

    I don't think I'm God, what a breathtakingly entitled thing to say.

    It's not the tenant's property so why is there an assumption they have an automatic right to make modifications (that will affect the landlords liability) without permission?

    A landlord has a right to protect themselves and their asset.

    Example: The tenant goes away for the week, it's a flat, there's a water leak reported by an adjacent neighbour. The landlord or their contractor uses their key to gain emergency access to stop further damage to their property and the neighbours property only to find they can't get in because the locks have been changed.

    The landlord can't break down the door and as a result has to call a locksmith.
    Why can't they break down the door? Why hasn't the neighbour already kicked the door in or got a locksmith round? There is no general requirement for landlords to hold keys. Landlords of commercial properties may have similar concerns but hardly ever are permitted to hold keys.
    It's a hypothetical example, they may not be strong enough. 
    Then they can find someone who is. This also assumes the landlord is local and available to attend to such an emergency - what proportion are?
  • Ryan_Holden
    Ryan_Holden Posts: 261 Forumite
    100 Posts Second Anniversary Name Dropper
    user1977 said:

    Then they can find someone who is. This also assumes the landlord is local and available to attend to such an emergency - what proportion are?
    I have no idea. Why is that something you'd expect me to know or is relevant? 

    It was just a hypothetical for not being able to gain access. Dissecting it to the nth degree achieves nothing. There are likely a myriad of reasons why it would take a landlord much longer to access their property in an emergency if they didn't have a key.

    Most landlords use a letting agent who will give a contractor keys both for arranged visits (with the tenants permission) or for emergency access if the landlord needs it. 
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 354.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 254.3K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 455.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 247.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 603.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 178.4K Life & Family
  • 261.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.