Brother in law is causing upset. Update, help needed please.

turnitround

Thank you Annisele. 

Thats made me feel a bit better regarding her getting into trouble, she was worried that as she knew he had lied on the paperwork she may be seen as being complicit in his behaviour.

The solicitor has only just put together the amount he wants to claim and as I understand it it was only sent to the other side about a week ago so if thats correct then they have only just seen it.

My neighbour had a claim some time ago and I thought I remembered that the other side i his case were given chance to make an offer which could be accepted  or turned down before there was any mention of court but I may be wrong.

gettingtheresometime

I remember years ago a family friend, who lived abroad,  was involved in a car accid3nt and claim for injuries sustained. Her lawyer told them that they'd only lost cases where the client lied.

when the case got to court the other side's legal asked about what she could or couldn't do....so she told them the truth. Which was just as well as the 'opposition' had her secretly filmed  out & about

Sea_Shell

One of our friends used to be an insurance investigator, and it is a tactic they use when they potentially are looking at a 5 figure payout.

So much easier these days with the improvements in the quality of phone filming capabilities.

thorsoak

Your sister should make him look a the tv series on BBC (probably available on BBC I-player "NAMED AND SHAMED".

The insurance company could well be watching him for that size payout - and will use video evidence against him - even if his original claim was valid.   He could well find himself in court for fraud, unable to get ANY insurance and possibly a jail sentence.   

TBagpuss

Assuming she hasn't signed any paperwork she wouldn't get into trouble or 'letting him' make false statements. 

If she feels the relationship is over then she should focus of that, see a solicitor and start the divorce process.

If she wants, she could anonymously contact the defendants and just say that she's overheard him talking about his claim against them and how he is claiming that he can't work / do DIY / whatever in order to get a bigger pay out even though he can and does. If it's a large enough claim then they probably wouldn't need a lot of detail - once the allegation that he's lying has been made they can decide whether and how how effort to expend on investigating 

pinkshoes

Your sister needs to be VERY careful here, as this could end up financially ruining her. 

From what you've said the relationship is over. I doubt most people would want to be in a relationship with someone so dishonest. It's amazing how money and greed get the better of some people...

If she's brave, then she should tell her husband that his claim is fraudulent and she wants no part of it, and either he tells the truth, or she will provide evidence that he is lying.

Or she (or you??) could just contact the ex employer saying that his claim is fraudulent, giving some details so that they can investigate themselves...

Chances are that if it's a big claim, the opposition will already be trying to gather evidence to disprove his claim, so although they have admitted liability, the pay out could end up being peanuts compared to the solicitors costs. There will probably be a clause in the T&Cs he has signed saying fees are liable if what he signed is untrue blah blah blah...

And although she hasn't had to sign anything, she is now in the knowledge that he has submitted a fraudulent claim.

turnitround

Thanks Pinkshoes.

She has told him that he is doing wrong and that she wants no part of it but she certainly isnt brave enough to tell him she will provide evidence against him. She is making moves to separate from him but its so difficult, she is worried about the house, the kids, the finances etc. He is not the sort to just roll over and go. 

He has clammed up in regards to telling her what is going on with the claim now as she has kicked up such a fuss. Last she knew was that the solicitor had sent an email saying court proceedings had been issued.

She almost rang his ex employer the other day but she is worried that they will know it is her as she spoke to them often when he was off work and they also have her phone number on file. Its getting to the point where she is in such a state that I think i am going to offer to ring them for her but I would feel more confident about doing so if I was certain they would not want me to give my details.

I know I am probably overthinking it but are they going to take what I say seriously if I refuse to give my name. The other issue is that even if I step in, which I have been reluctant to do, then he may still think it is my sister who has informed them.
Honestly Im so flaming mad at him.

Malthusian

turnitround said:

She almost rang his ex employer the other day but she is worried that they will know it is her as she spoke to them often when he was off work and they also have her phone number on file. Its getting to the point where she is in such a state that I think i am going to offer to ring them for her but I would feel more confident about doing so if I was certain they would not want me to give my details.

I know I am probably overthinking it but are they going to take what I say seriously if I refuse to give my name. The other issue is that even if I step in, which I have been reluctant to do, then he may still think it is my sister who has informed them.

Anonymous allegations aren't going to sway the judge to find in the insurer's favour. If the insurance company can compile evidence that he is lying (and it sounds like it wouldn't be difficult), they won't need your help. If they can't then anonymous allegations would achieve nothing; to alter the outcome of the case, you or your sister would have to testify against him in court. Which you understandably don't want to do, and there is no obligation on you to do so.
Your sister needs to be prepared for the possibility that he loses the case or is charged with fraud and blames her for shopping him even if she hasn't. He is divorced from reality and she is the nearest and easiest target. And he knows she doesn't support his fraud as he has stopped running his mouth to her.
It does sound like she needs to focus on her exit route, not on his nonsense. In the very unlikely event that he wins the case, gets his caravan and sails happily on having got away scot free, would she stay in the marriage? Doesn't sound like it. Meaning her course of action is the same regardless of what happens with his insurance case.

Sea_Shell

How's it going @turnitround ?

turnitround

Sea_Shell said:

How's it going @turnitround ?

Well it has got no better! 

He has moved out of the house (they are tenants in common) and moved in with his mate, however we dont know which one or the address of where he is living.. Told sis she will never see a penny which is true to form. No word yet as far as she knows from the court, his post is still coming to the address they live at. 
My sister is able to support herself and is looking for a place to rent with the children and she is trying to get his agreement to sell the house telling him he can go and live in the caravan he is going to buy, lol. She thinks he agreed to move out simply to be invisible if he is being watched and that as soon as he 'wins' he will be back but she does not want him back at all.

He now knows that I know about his claim which caused another massive drama but I had a right go at him and said I was going to report him. He told me I wouldn't dare and I would be sorry if I did but it must have got him worried as he has given up his job saying that he can no longer manage to work so they cant catch him going to work but as he is now at a different address I dont know how they would find him, he is still registered at the old address where he lived with my sister but if they are watching him there there is nothing to see. He is quite proud of that move. 

He is probably still doing other work but we have no way of knowing.

I have spoken to the company he worked at when he had the accident but did it anonymously just saying that I knew his claim was fraudulent and needed looking into but of course I cant say where he is now living as I dont know. The person I spoke to said they would pass the info on to their solicitor but if it will have impact or not I dont know.  Sis didnt want me to do it at first because he had threatened me but we have heard on the grapevine that he has been bragging about his claim in the pub so I would imagine there are one or two now who could have done what I did. 

Sis is going to start divorce proceedings but seems hesitant about aggravating him more while this is going on.