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matt_drummer

pensionpawn said:

However what would happen, as in my case, where you have a "smart" meter and you are informed by your energy company that you are moving (no choice) to metered exported? Would ASG have any say in that?

Probably not, but they would still want the export payments I would imagine.

It wouldn't be your energy company that insisted on metered export, it would be the energy company making the FIT payments.

I would imagine than ASG would have to apply for an export MPAN on the meter installed at your home. They would then be paid for any export.

I am almost certain that if that was the case, and the terms of the lease allowed it, they would block any attempt to fit battery storage as it would reduce their metered export payments.

pensionpawn

matt_drummer said:

pensionpawn said:

However what would happen, as in my case, where you have a "smart" meter and you are informed by your energy company that you are moving (no choice) to metered exported? Would ASG have any say in that?

Probably not, but they would still want the export payments I would imagine.

It wouldn't be your energy company that insisted on metered export, it would be the energy company making the FIT payments.

I would imagine than ASG would have to apply for an export MPAN on the meter installed at your home. They would then be paid for any export.

I am almost certain that if that was the case, and the terms of the lease allowed it, they would block any attempt to fit battery storage as it would reduce their metered export payments.

This is what I was wondering....
Installing a battery with deemed export is not an issue, however after being migrated to metered it does becomes an issue.
I'm assuming that those who installed a battery prior to having to move to metered export will not be forced, if that is at all possible, to disconnect the battery?

Ectophile

I would be surprised if there's anything in the lease that tells you what electrical appliances you are allowed to install in your house on your side of the generation meter.

matt_drummer

pensionpawn said:

matt_drummer said:

pensionpawn said:

However what would happen, as in my case, where you have a "smart" meter and you are informed by your energy company that you are moving (no choice) to metered exported? Would ASG have any say in that?

Probably not, but they would still want the export payments I would imagine.

It wouldn't be your energy company that insisted on metered export, it would be the energy company making the FIT payments.

I would imagine than ASG would have to apply for an export MPAN on the meter installed at your home. They would then be paid for any export.

I am almost certain that if that was the case, and the terms of the lease allowed it, they would block any attempt to fit battery storage as it would reduce their metered export payments.

This is what I was wondering....
Installing a battery with deemed export is not an issue, however after being migrated to metered it does becomes an issue.
I'm assuming that those who installed a battery prior to having to move to metered export will not be forced, if that is at all possible, to disconnect the battery?

They might be, especially if they don't have permission to have installed the battery in the first place.

I would also say that installing a battery would be an issue if it is in breach of the terms of the lease.

pensionpawn

matt_drummer said:

pensionpawn said:

matt_drummer said:

pensionpawn said:

However what would happen, as in my case, where you have a "smart" meter and you are informed by your energy company that you are moving (no choice) to metered exported? Would ASG have any say in that?

Probably not, but they would still want the export payments I would imagine.

It wouldn't be your energy company that insisted on metered export, it would be the energy company making the FIT payments.

I would imagine than ASG would have to apply for an export MPAN on the meter installed at your home. They would then be paid for any export.

I am almost certain that if that was the case, and the terms of the lease allowed it, they would block any attempt to fit battery storage as it would reduce their metered export payments.

This is what I was wondering....
Installing a battery with deemed export is not an issue, however after being migrated to metered it does becomes an issue.
I'm assuming that those who installed a battery prior to having to move to metered export will not be forced, if that is at all possible, to disconnect the battery?

They might be, especially if they don't have permission to have installed the battery in the first place.

I would also say that installing a battery would be an issue if it is in breach of the terms of the lease.

My brother has always maintained that he's not allowed a battery (I don't know if that's assumption or from thoroughly reading his agreement) even though that sounds nonsensical with deemed export. However ASG may have looked to the future, like I did with installing as many panels as possible on both my east and west facing aspects, playing the long game to pick up the potential benefits of metered export. However ASG could lose out if the natural export has always been less than 50%? I don't think it has for them (unlike me with spare of 4.5Mwhrs off a generation of 6.4Mwhrs) however it probably will be going forward as they've just bought an EV and charger!

matt_drummer

The only relevant thing is the terms of the lease as it is a legal agreement.

What actually happens to the generated electricity may be interesting and may have an effect on the panel owners income at some point but it has no bearing on what you are allowed to do with the panel owners equipment.

My experience is that people often confuse common sense and logic with the law, they are often not the same thing!

Hairy_Harry

Hi, I have ASG panels from 2014, I have had a lot of issues with ASG, that they refused to update the panels, they refused to let me even pay for their new panels so they would be more efficient, I totally refused the scaffolding charges, as they were not in contract.   When I recently got them to change their panels over TOTALLY AT THEIR EXPENSE inc scaffolding,

    The key action, was the underside connection covers were missing on a few panels, meaning they were electrically unsafe,
( check you tube) & this forced them to change panels, at their expense.   HOWEVER, I later found, they ONLY installed exact
re-used 2014 panels, stating,  to change anything, it would stop their fit payments, if they fitted newer type panels or inverter. 
my ASG panels work ok, but need pure sun light above.        

I have therefore, installed on a different side of my house, a new TOTALLY SEPERATE,  new Solar PV & AC Battery system,
on good day, these generate from 6am to 8pm at night.       Fitted in 15kwh Growatt AXE, 3 x 5kwh AC batteries.
( plug & play, you stack like lego bricks )  I have MCS cert, DNO G99 permission, Octopus have fitted in new mains meter.
Octopus are keeping me on the Go tariff,  & say they will add to this,  my export at 4.1 pence per kwh. As under SEG.

With the batteries, & new panel system,  From £280 per month electric bill, our electric usage is now 0.05kwh per day,
plus, electric meter standard charge.    On a bright day, we export double more than we consume.
      As a disabled household, we will be getting an electric car, & the new install, will mean it will be mostly free electric.

I am currently sending back to the grid, some 20kwh per day. which is shown on my meter, next to my new inverter, & app,
My ASG app, shown no change, to their generation,  but again, they are two totally separate systems. 

I am now not sure, as early days, & Octopus emailed me, ASG will keep on Fit tariff, & we will "both" receive Seg payments. ?
I found that hard to understand, so have asked Octopus for clarity, & to check if their email was miss worded.

WARNING,  As far as contracts with ASG goes, I found ASG ADDED to my lease deeds 6 months later than my signed lease, without my consent or knowledge.   This is mostly on about, they can use multiple company's & names, & sell on lease.
(( I have not agreed to none of this ))    I would tell everyone to obtain a £3 copy of their deeds from land reg, & in that, 
** THERE IS ANOTHER ADDED LAND REG NUMBER FOR THE ASG LEASE ALTERATION, 
ASG added this new lease contract,  without my consent 6 months later, & also obtain that, so should you **
           
Any talk with ASG,  they say its in the lease ( including scaffolding deposit & charges ), ask them to show exactly where ??,
reply its in the lease.  ASG said under their lease, they had a right to a peaceful life, leave them alone, & them enjoy lease. 

   I understand, you cannot buy out ASG lease, or change their system, but what I can do is to, have the mains meter removed.
The ASG installation requires your house electric to power their inverter.  So it always needs mains connection to work.
Removal of house mains meter will stop ASG system dead, & I think they would be legally powerless to intervene.  
           
On the other hand, I can use an alternate energy to supply my inverter, & house.  What would ASG then do ???

Anyone, who know how this Seg will impact me, & ASG, please advise.
           

QrizB

Welcome to the forum.

Hairy_Harry said:

Hi, I have ASG panels from 2014, I have had a lot of issues with ASG, that they refused to update the panels, they refused to let me even pay for their new panels so they would be more efficient, I totally refused the scaffolding charges, as they were not in contract.   When I recently got them to change their panels over TOTALLY AT THEIR EXPENSE inc scaffolding,
The key action, was the underside connection covers were missing on a few panels, meaning they were electrically unsafe,
( check you tube) & this forced them to change panels, at their expense.   HOWEVER, I later found, they ONLY installed exact re-used 2014 panels, stating,  to change anything, it would stop their fit payments, if they fitted newer type panels or inverter. 

Yes, that is a simple and straightforward way to meet the FIT T&C. Any upgrade to the array would risk losing their FIT payments.

my ASG panels work ok, but need pure sun light above.       

I'm not sure quite what you mean by thids; solar panels coinvert light into electricity, so it should be a given that they need light to work.

I am currently sending back to the grid, some 20kwh per day. which is shown on my meter, next to my new inverter, & app,

My ASG app, shown no change, to their generation,  but again, they are two totally separate systems.

ASG, like most FIT suppliers, probably have their own smart generation meter installed in your house. Your app will be displaying information from that.

I am now not sure, as early days, & Octopus emailed me, ASG will keep on Fit tariff, & we will "both" receive Seg payments?

Yes, if you want to adopt metered export and be paid SEG, ASG will also have to switch. Your export will probably be split pro-rata between the ASG system and your new one.

Have you contacted ASG about this? Does your ASG contract have anything to say on the subject?

Octopus's SEG rate is lower than  the rate ASG currently enjoy under the FIT; a 2014 install is probably being paid 6.79p/kWh for export. You might find your contract will require you to make up the difference.

WARNING,  As far as contracts with ASG goes, I found ASG ADDED to my lease deeds 6 months later than my signed lease, without my consent or knowledge.   This is mostly on about, they can use multiple company's & names, & sell on lease. (( I have not agreed to none of this ))    I would tell everyone to obtain a £3 copy of their deeds from land reg, & in that, 

** THERE IS ANOTHER ADDED LAND REG NUMBER FOR THE ASG LEASE ALTERATION,  ASG added this new lease contract,  without my consent 6 months later, & also obtain that, so should you **

It is entirely normal and proper for a rent-a-roof lease to be recorded against your property at the Land Registry. You will probably find that you agreed to this as part of the ASG contract.

 I understand, you cannot buy out ASG lease ...

There is usually a route to buy out a rent-a-roof lease. This commonly is required when you sell a property, to enable the buyer to obtain a mortgage.

... but what I can do is to, have the mains meter removed. ...

Removal of house mains meter will stop ASG system dead, & I think they would be legally powerless to intervene.  
...  What would ASG then do ???

I imagine your contract will have a relevant term. I would expect ASG to sue you for breach of contract and lost FIT payments.

Anyone, who know how this Seg will impact me, & ASG, please advise.      

I think you need to think very carefully about what you're proposing to do.

Ectophile

Hairy_Harry said:

Hi, I have ASG panels from 2014, I have had a lot of issues with ASG, that they refused to update the panels, they refused to let me even pay for their new panels so they would be more efficient, I totally refused the scaffolding charges, as they were not in contract.   When I recently got them to change their panels over TOTALLY AT THEIR EXPENSE inc scaffolding,

    The key action, was the underside connection covers were missing on a few panels, meaning they were electrically unsafe,
( check you tube) & this forced them to change panels, at their expense.   HOWEVER, I later found, they ONLY installed exact
re-used 2014 panels, stating,  to change anything, it would stop their fit payments, if they fitted newer type panels or inverter. 
my ASG panels work ok, but need pure sun light above.        

I have therefore, installed on a different side of my house, a new TOTALLY SEPERATE,  new Solar PV & AC Battery system,
on good day, these generate from 6am to 8pm at night.       Fitted in 15kwh Growatt AXE, 3 x 5kwh AC batteries.
( plug & play, you stack like lego bricks )  I have MCS cert, DNO G99 permission, Octopus have fitted in new mains meter.
Octopus are keeping me on the Go tariff,  & say they will add to this,  my export at 4.1 pence per kwh. As under SEG.

With the batteries, & new panel system,  From £280 per month electric bill, our electric usage is now 0.05kwh per day,
plus, electric meter standard charge.    On a bright day, we export double more than we consume.
      As a disabled household, we will be getting an electric car, & the new install, will mean it will be mostly free electric.

I am currently sending back to the grid, some 20kwh per day. which is shown on my meter, next to my new inverter, & app,
My ASG app, shown no change, to their generation,  but again, they are two totally separate systems. 

I am now not sure, as early days, & Octopus emailed me, ASG will keep on Fit tariff, & we will "both" receive Seg payments. ?
I found that hard to understand, so have asked Octopus for clarity, & to check if their email was miss worded.

WARNING,  As far as contracts with ASG goes, I found ASG ADDED to my lease deeds 6 months later than my signed lease, without my consent or knowledge.   This is mostly on about, they can use multiple company's & names, & sell on lease.
(( I have not agreed to none of this ))    I would tell everyone to obtain a £3 copy of their deeds from land reg, & in that, 
** THERE IS ANOTHER ADDED LAND REG NUMBER FOR THE ASG LEASE ALTERATION, 
ASG added this new lease contract,  without my consent 6 months later, & also obtain that, so should you **
           
Any talk with ASG,  they say its in the lease ( including scaffolding deposit & charges ), ask them to show exactly where ??,
reply its in the lease.  ASG said under their lease, they had a right to a peaceful life, leave them alone, & them enjoy lease. 

   I understand, you cannot buy out ASG lease, or change their system, but what I can do is to, have the mains meter removed.
The ASG installation requires your house electric to power their inverter.  So it always needs mains connection to work.
Removal of house mains meter will stop ASG system dead, & I think they would be legally powerless to intervene.  
           
On the other hand, I can use an alternate energy to supply my inverter, & house.  What would ASG then do ???

Anyone, who know how this Seg will impact me, & ASG, please advise.
           

I think you're missing an important point here.  ASG are collecting the FIT payments on their solar panels, and you get free electricity.

The FIT scheme is closed to new applications.  And, very importantly, FIT payments apply to a specific installation of solar panels.  If they took off the panels and replaced them with new high efficiency ones, then that is a new installation and they would lose all their FIT payments.

It would be crazy for them to do that.

I'm in a similar position with my panels.  They are all rated at 190W, which was pretty good at the time.  New panels could be 400W each, so I could get more than twice the power from my roof.  But I'm not going to replace the panels.  I have around 10 years of FIT payments still to come, and I would lose all of that if I upgraded.  The FIT is worth far more to me than any SEG payments would be.

castlering13

You can fit AC Coupled batteries that are connected only to your household electrics, with its own inverter, as it is totally separate to what ASG have fitted. It's no different to having an EV with its batteries. You can do anything you like with any electricity that's generated - AC batteries, heat hot water, charge an EV, it makes no difference to ASG. As long as the panels are generating, and nothing is directly attached to their set up, they're happy. We're having AC Coupled batteries fitted in a few weeks, which we'll charge up from the solar exported, and also when tariffs are low (Octopus Cosy). We have a heat pump and that, with the batteries, and the solar, will work well together.