Repurpose old barn?

artyboy

Yellowsub2000 said:

If you get away with 5 years no problems then you can keep
it under lawful development 

Remember that bloke that built a castle behind a load of straw bales. Didn't end so well for him did it?

If I were you, I wouldn't keep clutching at straws 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-who-built-cheeky-1million-27358254.amp

Dustyevsky

Sarahspangles said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

If you get away with 5 years no problems then you can keep
it under lawful development 

I have sympathy for families in farming areas who want their extended family or farm workers to live locally. But the fact that’s it’s normally the neighbours/community who bring in the Planners and subsequently object to the application suggests I’m the minority. 

You can say that again! We have neighbours who've fought tooth and nail to prevent us making a new rear driveway. This will enable us to sell our barn with a small plot and vehicular access to one of our children. Our title documents and private RoW legislation will make this possible, but nothing  persuades those who think any change will impact their lives in some major way. 

Reasons given for denial so far include:

• We have a ransom strip...... They don't.
• We need to see the original deed..... They don't. They've lost theirs.
  
• We do not recognise the validity of the access clause in your deeds; it's 'obsolete,' it's 'expired'  it's 'irrelevant' it's 'vague.' ....The wording and the title plan are quite modern and clear as day. RoWs don't expire; they need a deed signed by both parties to extinguish them.
  
• You cannot cross our grass..... We have access rights across the grass. The person who sold them the grass owned our house and made sure of that!
• We will erect a fence 2m high.....Not a sensible move to block a RoW. 
  

We can't wait for the planning application to be submitted and the joys of reading all the comments on that!

Fortunately, these are not all our neighbours; just the ones with no local connections, second homers and newcomers, hoping perhaps, to stay a few years and flip. And we don't even live in one of the county's most expensive areas.

Sarahspangles

Dustyevsky said:

Fortunately, these are not all our neighbours; just the ones with no local connections, second homers and newcomers, hoping perhaps, to stay a few years and flip. And we don't even live in one of the county's most expensive areas.

If there anything worse than a NIMBY it’s a NIEOMBY (Not In Either Of My Back Yards)

sheramber

If you are so sure then go ahead.

You do not need permsission form people on this board.

Jude57

Just from a different angle, my late partner was an electrical contractor and neither he nor any reputable building trade contractor he knew would start work on site without sight of the necessary Planning permission. The reason for this was that the owner or developer of the site would often run out of money to pay contractors after initial stage payments and this was especially true, in his experience, in rural redevelopment. A contractor willing to go ahead with months worth of work without guarantee of full payment is taking a massive risk. And of course, if an owner/developer can't meet state payments, materials can't be bought (or will be removed from site) and work stops.

daivid

user1977 said:

Section62 said:

ThisIsWeird said:

Damn! I was about to knock up a barn out t'garden, and convert it into a house in 10 years time :-(

House?  Why not go for something with greater potential for profit.... like a nuclear power station, coal mine, shopping centre, storage units etc?

I'm fitting mine out with a meth lab.

When the police raid your lab I'm sure the 'Clarkson defence' will send them off with their tails between their legs!

Yellowsub2000

There is so much not clear about the rules with repurposed old barns

Section62

Yellowsub2000 said:

There is so much not clear about the rules with repurposed old barns

Absolutely, hence my advice in the first reply on the thread - "But agricultural to residential change of use is complicated, and if you've got a project in mind you would be wise to get paid-for advice - either from the local council, or from a planning consultant."

The internet is full of poor advice, and people claiming they got away with stuff, but the reality is often very different.  People are generally less keen to self-promote cases where the planning authority found out and took enforcement action, so what can be gleaned from the internet is often skewed towards cases where development was allowed. (often because the work was permitted development in the first place)