New roof or re bed New ridge tiles

grumbler

EssexExile said:

grumbler said:

stuart45 said:

A rough rule of thumb for working on a roof with ladders is that a small job which takes half an hour or less is OK. 

What exactly is this rule based upon? If you can do two-three ridge tiles in an hour, why can't you do the whole ridge in 8 hours?

We had all our hips and ridges rebedded from one scaffold tower and several ladders.

That's what I wanted to say. If really needed, it can be assembled/and disassembled in less than an hour. Plus delivery - still not much in terms of extra cost.

stuart45

grumbler said:

stuart45 said:

A rough rule of thumb for working on a roof with ladders is that a small job which takes half an hour or less is OK. 

What exactly is this rule based upon? If you can do two-three ridge tiles in an hour, why can't you do the whole ridge in 8 hours?

Frequently asked questions: Work at height (hse.gov.uk)
Short duration is seen as about 30 mins. I know a few lads who will spend all day on the roof working without any scaff, but in theory it's not legal. Depends where you are working, out in the sticks is normally no problem. 
The idea is that replacing a few slates is OK, but spending all day on the roof is not.

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rubycoco said:

Hi we have been quoted £4300 to have new ridge tiles on my 3 bed semi detached house. That includes scaffolding and replacing any broken tiles etc. Is this a fair price I live in the North West? Can't seem to find a online price estimate for a new roof.

IMO, it's a day work for two people that can be done with a roof ladder without scaffolding. Maybe day and a half.

Very unlikely to comply with working at height regs. How would you work on the gable end for example?

  Are you saying that roofers doing small repairs without scaffolding don't comply with some 'regs'? The only question here is where the boundary lies between 'small' and 'big'.

Not all roofs have gable ends. Many have chimneys that you can use for fixing safety gear to, and there are other means of working safely without scaffolding.

The typical problem here is that roofing companies/people have vested interest in scaffolding because of getting some sort of commission from  scaffolding companies. Also this makes the whole job looking bigger than it actually is.

Op says that their house is a semi-detached.
There's a wealth of information on the HSE website.
I've no vested interest in scaffolding, but I do put my staff's safety above those of a client wanting to save a few hundred quid.

I regularly have this conversation. Funny that when you suggest that the client gets out there, they quickly have a change of heart!

grumbler

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grumbler said:

rubycoco said:

Hi we have been quoted £4300 to have new ridge tiles on my 3 bed semi detached house. That includes scaffolding and replacing any broken tiles etc. Is this a fair price I live in the North West? Can't seem to find a online price estimate for a new roof.

IMO, it's a day work for two people that can be done with a roof ladder without scaffolding. Maybe day and a half.

Very unlikely to comply with working at height regs. How would you work on the gable end for example?

  Are you saying that roofers doing small repairs without scaffolding don't comply with some 'regs'? The only question here is where the boundary lies between 'small' and 'big'.

Not all roofs have gable ends. Many have chimneys that you can use for fixing safety gear to, and there are other means of working safely without scaffolding.

The typical problem here is that roofing companies/people have vested interest in scaffolding because of getting some sort of commission from  scaffolding companies. Also this makes the whole job looking bigger than it actually is.

Op says that their house is a semi-detached.

??

- a random picture from the internet.

And no, I don't mean that it cannot be a gable roof.

35har1old

grumbler said:

rubycoco said:

Hi we have been quoted £4300 to have new ridge tiles on my 3 bed semi detached house. That includes scaffolding and replacing any broken tiles etc. Is this a fair price I live in the North West? Can't seem to find a online price estimate for a new roof.

IMO, it's a day work for two people that can be done with a roof ladder without scaffolding. Maybe day and a half.

Yes in the past that would have been possible but if you follow HSE guidance the scaffolding is necessary  

grumbler

- just taken from a window of my friend's house.
As simple as that. Gable end, ridge tiles ....
Admittedly, the roof is quite shallow, but there is no any scafolding, any roof ladder and any safety gear.

badger09

grumbler said:

- just taken from a window of my friend's house.
As simple as that. Gable end, ridge tiles ....
Admittedly, the roof is quite shallow, but there is no any scafolding, any roof ladder and any safety gear.

Just because someone is doing it like that doesn’t mean it’s right, or safe, or legal. 

Are you seriously advocating that as an acceptable way to repair a roof?

grumbler

badger09 said:

grumbler said:

- just taken from a window of my friend's house.
As simple as that. Gable end, ridge tiles ....
Admittedly, the roof is quite shallow, but there is no any scafolding, any roof ladder and any safety gear.

Are you seriously advocating that as an acceptable way to repair a roof?

Yes          

Personally, I'd possibly add a roof ladder or use some safety harness and a rope.