Smart Meter Extenders

Pietro11

Siemens (9
on behalf of Bulb) tried to
install Smsrt Meters on my gas and electricity meters. Fitting to the electricity was successful. Fitting to the gas meter was not successful probably due to thick walls or distance between gas and electricity meters. So I do not have a Smart Meter on gas. Does anyone know of a signal extender which could cause a Smart Meter on gas to communicate with the Smart Meter on electricity as it is from the Smart Meter connected to electricity that readings from both are sent to the energy supplier?

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Pietro11 said:

Siemens (9
on behalf of Bulb) tried to
install Smsrt Meters on my gas and electricity meters. Fitting to the electricity was successful. Fitting to the gas meter was not successful probably due to thick walls or distance between gas and electricity meters. So I do not have a Smart Meter on gas. Does anyone know of a signal extender which could cause a Smart Meter on gas to communicate with the Smart Meter on electricity as it is from the Smart Meter connected to electricity that readings from both are sent to the energy supplier?

Smart meter communications hubs are locked down by the Data Communications Company. You cannot fit a signal extender. Fiddle with the communications hub at your peril: it has tamper alerts.

The DCC, which is responsible for all communications hubs, is in the process of making available dual-band hubs to increase the range of the Home Area Network. The gas meter uses the HAN to connect to the gas proxy meter built into the communications hub.  There is also an Alt-HAN solution for high-rise apartments

Scot_39

There are external to cabinet antenna arrangements for the WAN connection.  Even external weather hardened solutions in many countries for roof or wall mounting in rural areas.

More common overseas, but seen a couple of posts here for people having antenna in local roof space or external to metal meter boxes etc.

But that doesn't apply to gas as I understand it - as they are HAN slaved to electric, electric reports to DCC on WAN.

So down to DCC improving ranges etc.

And in next decade - likely all electric will need their 4G WAN upgrades too.  2g3g switch off target currently capped as at least meter service if not our mobils guaranteed to 2033.

Robin9

I have two business supplies which have hardwired  transmitters/battery packs for the gas.   They operate completely separate from the electric meter .

MWT

Scot_39 said:

But that doesn't apply to gas as I understand it - as they are HAN slaved to electric, electric reports to DCC on WAN.

Both gas and electricity meter connect to the comms hub via the HAN, not via the electricity meter.

Although the comms hub typically sits on top of the electricity meter, the only thing it gets directly from the electricity meter is power.

All data for both meters has to pass across the HAN, and in the case of the gas meter, the data is stored in the gas meter proxy sitting in the comms hub to reduce the power drain on the gas meter as it only has a battery for a power source.

The external antenna options for the comms hub only address WAN issues, not HAN problems.

A dual-band comms hub should help with the HAN issues when it becomes available...

MWT

Robin9 said:

I have two business supplies which have hardwired  transmitters/battery packs for the gas.   They operate completely separate from the electric meter .

I've seen those as well, but I've not seen them used on domestic supplies...

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Scot_39 said:

There are external to cabinet antenna arrangements for the WAN connection. 

But not with a SKU1 communications hub.