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PIP letter decision dilema
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How do you assess fatigue face to face? OPD (Rare)
Cooking - weighted pans, electric tin opener, large handled knifes, spiked chopping board
Washing - long handle brush,
Dressing - Sock applicator, zipper puller
the list is endless. But although not currently being use, does not mean you can’t be assessed as needing an aid.
However without comparing the two reports and highlighting the differences, in theory we can discuss every single activity and descriptor.
Current debt ZERO.
[I know that's what the guidance says to do, but it's wrong.]
My son has autism and a very rare genetic overgrowth syndrom - think Andre The Giant. He was assessed by a paramedic who had no idea about how the combined conditions could affect him in day to day life. He stated that he watched my son walk 5 metres. Given the size of our tiny flat, it would have meant him climbing over the television and crashing through the window. The assessment lasted 20 minutes.
He was awarded 0 points for care and 0 for mobility. At tribunal he was awarded 12 points for care and 14 points for mobility for 5 years.
You know what your wife can or cannot do, so go with your isntincts.
My Wife had a face to face assessment. They were not interested in looking at anything used to help, Bathroom, aids etc. Just sat there, asked questions, typed answers on laptop. That was it.
Result about the same as yours. It was like 2 totally different versions of the same conversation.
My highest and longest award was when I didn't have an assessment (but did have stronger evidence).
Audit is a pain in PIP assessment, I remember calling a claimant three times to ask further questions, each time it went to audit the auditor was different had had a different take on the condition, the report was basically changed to suit the auditor, however what I had written in the first report and subsequently changed, was what ended up in the final report.
However it does reflect poorly on the assessors, some will write misleading reports but in my experience the system leads them to poor decisions. Something like a drivers licence or lack of a certain diagnosis will discredit a number of activities (Eg No Mental Health/Cognative diagnosis takes activity 9 to a zero.)
When writing the report its easy to go for the no scores firsts. Then build it around those.
But equally the PIP questionnaire doesn't help, and I’ve seen first hand how stressful completing it can be, You often don't see what others do. If you put no problem in for an activity, it will not be fully explored. A good understanding of the assessment does help, so having someone with knowledge/experience of the form is a massive help.
Current debt ZERO.
I'm had PIP reports saying they saw me walk 50 m when I didn't move from the chair apart from standing up for about 10 seconds.
I stated I socialised about once in the last 3 months, report can back I socialised most days.
I have a large garden and always state that I get someone in to do it every few week, report comes back I have very large garden and I cut the grass weekly.
I could go on, but I have made my point.
So from a personal experience assessors DO lie
Also I would not be so sure that previous assessment report and added supporting evidence will always be read as required given the corner cutting often involved for reasons of time etc.... in fact for my PIP assessment I queried whether the HCP had done so and they reluctantly admitted they had not (their tone and wording that which you expect when someone has to admit they've not done the right thing - they shifted blame to me for having provided too much).
That said... the last face to face assessment I had for ESA was conducted by a nurse and I regard it as an exceptionally accurate and evidenced piece of work that showed a level of insight that actually I've failed to achieve with any medical professional before or since in any context. The report was so good, despite the assessment being curtailed due to my distress, that I forced my wife to read it when I got a copy.
In the case of the thread.... without seeing the assessment report current and previous we obviously cannot comment much... but let me take a punt that inconsistency and flaw will be evident and likely feature (not necessarily with direct addressing as one should primarily focus on the applicable descriptors) in any reconsideration request if made.