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Are we expecting BOE to remain at 4.75% on 8th February 2025?
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ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.0 -
RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.0 -
RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.To solve inequality and failing productivity, cap leverage allowed to be used in property transactions. This lowers the ROI on housing, reduces monetary demand for housing, reduces house prices bringing them more into line with wage growth as opposed to debt expansion.
Reduce stamp duty on new builds and increase stamp duty on pre-existing property.
No-one should have control of setting interest rates since it only adds to uncertainty. Let the markets price yields, credit and labour.0 -
lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.Certainly being forced to move home because of someone else's actions or inactions is not something any of us would relish but that would only affect the small number of tenants with "recent landlords" as per Crashy's supposition.If Crashy was right for the first time in his life and there was a "BTL meltdown" then you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...Every generation blames the one before...
Mike + The Mechanics - The Living Years0 -
MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...
But I wonder what then happens to those houses........if not in the rental market they become available to buy and (somewhere in the chain) increase the stock of houses to buy for those who were previously renting and have a downward impact on the cost of house prices.
So the net effect is less rental housing stock and less renters so no net impact.
I'm no "financial whizz" so let me know where i've gone wrong.
To solve inequality and failing productivity, cap leverage allowed to be used in property transactions. This lowers the ROI on housing, reduces monetary demand for housing, reduces house prices bringing them more into line with wage growth as opposed to debt expansion.
Reduce stamp duty on new builds and increase stamp duty on pre-existing property.
No-one should have control of setting interest rates since it only adds to uncertainty. Let the markets price yields, credit and labour.0 -
lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...
So the net effect is less rental housing stock and less renters so no net impact.
I'm no "financial whizz" so let me know where i've gone wrong.Clearly. All other things being equal, your "no net impact" on renters is only valid if every single one of those BTL properties is subsequently utilised by someone who was previously renting which is extremely unlikely to be the case.
Every generation blames the one before...
Mike + The Mechanics - The Living Years0 -
MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...
So the net effect is less rental housing stock and less renters so no net impact.
I'm no "financial whizz" so let me know where i've gone wrong.Clearly. All other things being equal, your "no net impact" on renters is only valid if every single one of those BTL properties is subsequently utilised by someone who was previously renting which is extremely unlikely to be the case.
So you need to think about housing stock and demand in aggregate and both owner-occupier and BTL/rental markets together.
Again, let me know where i've gone wrong as i'm still learning.
To solve inequality and failing productivity, cap leverage allowed to be used in property transactions. This lowers the ROI on housing, reduces monetary demand for housing, reduces house prices bringing them more into line with wage growth as opposed to debt expansion.
Reduce stamp duty on new builds and increase stamp duty on pre-existing property.
No-one should have control of setting interest rates since it only adds to uncertainty. Let the markets price yields, credit and labour.0 -
lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...
So the net effect is less rental housing stock and less renters so no net impact.
I'm no "financial whizz" so let me know where i've gone wrong.Clearly. All other things being equal, your "no net impact" on renters is only valid if every single one of those BTL properties is subsequently utilised by someone who was previously renting which is extremely unlikely to be the case.Again, let me know where i've gone wrong as i'm still learning.The fundamental flaw is your supposition that every new occupant of the ex-BTL was previously either a renter or was an owner-occupier who has now released their previous home back on to the market. There are numerous situations where this is not the case.For example, according to Crashy, loads of struggling younger people have moved back in with their parents - they are neither owner-occupiers or renters but either they or their parents are ready to snap up any ex-BTL bargains if prices drop.Similarly, more people than ever are living on their own, often due to divorce/separation. A case in point is a relative of my girlfriend's; she married less than a year ago, it didn't go well so last month she moved out and into a rental while soon-to-be ex-hubby is still living in the marital home.Another example, I own several properties, only my own home is occupied by an owner-occupier; the others are occupied by neither owner-occupiers or (past or present) renters...Of course the even bigger fly in the ointment is that the UK isn't building enough homes to keep up with the growing population so if relatively fewer homes are available to renters due to a "BLT meltdown" then that can only result in even higher costs for renters.Every generation blames the one before...
Mike + The Mechanics - The Living Years0 -
MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:MobileSaver said:lojo1000 said:RelievedSheff said:ReadySteadyPop said:BarelySentientAI said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MeteredOut said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:ReadySteadyPop said:Hoenir said:MattMattMattUK said:
Worth remembering that 30 year mortgage rates in the US are currently above 7%. Borrowers in the UK have so far got off lightly.
I think the opposite, I think the signs of stress are showing very quickly, CRE is another very good example.
None of these are the same thing.you don't have to be a financial whizz to realise that rental prices would increase resulting in all tenants becoming losers...
So the net effect is less rental housing stock and less renters so no net impact.
I'm no "financial whizz" so let me know where i've gone wrong.Clearly. All other things being equal, your "no net impact" on renters is only valid if every single one of those BTL properties is subsequently utilised by someone who was previously renting which is extremely unlikely to be the case.Again, let me know where i've gone wrong as i'm still learning.The fundamental flaw is your supposition that every new occupant of the ex-BTL was previously either a renter or was an owner-occupier who has now released their previous home back on to the market. There are numerous situations where this is not the case.For example, according to Crashy, loads of struggling younger people have moved back in with their parents - they are neither owner-occupiers or renters but either they or their parents are ready to snap up any ex-BTL bargains if prices drop.Similarly, more people than ever are living on their own, often due to divorce/separation. A case in point is a relative of my girlfriend's; she married less than a year ago, it didn't go well so last month she moved out and into a rental while soon-to-be ex-hubby is still living in the marital home.Another example, I own several properties, only my own home is occupied by an owner-occupier; the others are occupied by neither owner-occupiers or (past or present) renters...Of course the even bigger fly in the ointment is that the UK isn't building enough homes to keep up with the growing population so if relatively fewer homes are available to renters due to a "BLT meltdown" then that can only result in even higher costs for renters.
The "BTL meltdown" has no impact on housing stock nor housing demand and just as houses are free to move from the rental to owner-occupier sector, so is the demand for housing.
To solve inequality and failing productivity, cap leverage allowed to be used in property transactions. This lowers the ROI on housing, reduces monetary demand for housing, reduces house prices bringing them more into line with wage growth as opposed to debt expansion.
Reduce stamp duty on new builds and increase stamp duty on pre-existing property.
No-one should have control of setting interest rates since it only adds to uncertainty. Let the markets price yields, credit and labour.0 -
I think the biggest issue for renters is scraping a deposit together. Anything which encourages landlords to sell shrinks the rental market. If the demand for rentals then doesn't also shrink at the same/ faster rate... it will result in rental prices climbing. Unfortunately I suspect a very large share of those renting lack the means to purchase the resulting increased supply of homes for sale... which means they may actually become even more lilely to be trapped if rental prices spike...
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