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Effect of Cycle to Work Scheme on Lost Personal Allowance (£100-125k)

AdamC_2
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Hi all,
Trying to get my head around Salary Sacrifice Schemes, and in particular, the Cycle to Work Scheme. Can anyone advise if, say, a person is on a pre-tax income (after pension contributions) of £125k, would 'buying' a £5000 bike work like this...
Bike Cost = £5000, which, because it comes out of pre-tax income, effectively saves 40% tax (i.e £2000) and 2% NI (i.e. £100), making the cost of the bike £2900
So far, so good... but next is the part I'm not sure about...
Because the pre-tax income is now classed as £120k, £2500 of Personal Allowance is 'recovered', which was subject to 40% tax (i.e. £1000)
So the effective cost of the £5000 bike is now £1900
Is that right? It seems almost too good to be true, or am I not understanding something?
And do the same rules apply to an electric vehicle SS lease, albeit with a small BIK charge?
Thanks
Trying to get my head around Salary Sacrifice Schemes, and in particular, the Cycle to Work Scheme. Can anyone advise if, say, a person is on a pre-tax income (after pension contributions) of £125k, would 'buying' a £5000 bike work like this...
Bike Cost = £5000, which, because it comes out of pre-tax income, effectively saves 40% tax (i.e £2000) and 2% NI (i.e. £100), making the cost of the bike £2900
So far, so good... but next is the part I'm not sure about...
Because the pre-tax income is now classed as £120k, £2500 of Personal Allowance is 'recovered', which was subject to 40% tax (i.e. £1000)
So the effective cost of the £5000 bike is now £1900
Is that right? It seems almost too good to be true, or am I not understanding something?
And do the same rules apply to an electric vehicle SS lease, albeit with a small BIK charge?
Thanks
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I don't think your gross income decreases for salary sacrifice, your taxable salary is the one which decrease.“Don't raise your voice, improve your argument." - Desmond Tutu
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The effective tax rate between £100,000 and £125,140 is 60%, plus 2% NIC, so anything that reduces your salary only costs you 38% of it. However, my understanding of the cycling salary sacrifice scheme is that the amount sacrificed is the hire charge over the term of the hire, not the cost up front. See:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/845725/cycle-to-work-guidance.pdf
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ispookie666 said:I don't think your gross income decreases for salary sacrifice, your taxable salary is the one which decrease.0
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Jeremy535897 said:The effective tax rate between £100,000 and £125,140 is 60%, plus 2% NIC, so anything that reduces your salary only costs you 38% of it. However, my understanding of the cycling salary sacrifice scheme is that the amount sacrificed is the hire charge over the term of the hire, not the cost up front. See:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/845725/cycle-to-work-guidance.pdf
It's the recovery of Personal Allowance that no-one seems too clear about, but if Cycle to Work is included in your "anything that reduces your salary...", then it's quite attractive and I'm thinking my calculation might be correct.0 -
The terms of the charged for hire might be quite short, but unless you start early in the tax year it is likely to be spread over at least two tax years. My understanding is that you continue to hire the bike for another few years at no charge, and then HMRC accept that there is no need for a final payment, but I have no practical experience of these schemes.
The one thing that is most clearly not in doubt is that you get 62% tax/NIC relief on whatever salary is sacrificed for a qualifying cycle scheme, if you are in the £100,000 to £125,140 income band throughout the period you have sacrificed salary.1 -
Jeremy535897 said:The terms of the charged for hire might be quite short, but unless you start early in the tax year it is likely to be spread over at least two tax years. My understanding is that you continue to hire the bike for another few years at no charge, and then HMRC accept that there is no need for a final payment...
I have a couple of days to get my request in, so I'm guessing it starts in AprilJeremy535897 said:The one thing that is most clearly not in doubt is that you get 62% tax/NIC relief on whatever salary is sacrificed for a qualifying cycle scheme, if you are in the £100,000 to £125,140 income band throughout the period you have sacrificed salary.0 -
The value of your certificate/voucher will reduce your gross pay over 12 months from when payroll start deductions. This is turn reduces your taxable (and NICable) pay by the same amount for the same period. At the end of the initial 12 month 'hire' period you should be given the option to [1] return the bike with no further cost to yourself, [2] extend the hire period for another 36 months at a small refundable fee based on the market value after the 36 months or [3] buy the bike at the then market value at 12 months. HMRC have a table to determine the market value at various points in time https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/employment-income-manual/eim21667a, if they allow you to pay less than market value this would create a taxable benefit which should be avoided.
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macy08 said:..., [2] extend the hire period for another 36 months at a small refundable fee based on the market value after the 36 months or...0
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AdamC_2 said:macy08 said:..., [2] extend the hire period for another 36 months at a small refundable fee based on the market value after the 36 months or...
It would need to be justifiable for your commute, but that's a broad and liberally applied/ignored element.
https://www.cyclescheme.co.uk/the-rules-of-cycle-to-work#:~:text=However, it is worth noting,to get both at once.
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The cycles schemes I have been part of have taken the deductions over 12 months. At the end of 12 months, I got an email from cycle scheme to decide what I wanted to do (ownership fees)
https://help.cyclescheme.co.uk/article/42-what-is-an-ownership-fee.
This is how I have done this through Cyle2Work
Obtained quote for bike, safety gear
Contacted payroll/cycle2work administrator
Paperwork signed
voucher issued
voucher redeemed
Bike delivered .... Yay
I can see gross pay deducted every month on the payslip for the cycle2work (12 monthly payments make up to the total voucher amount).
Also, I have not noticed any change in personal allowance in the tax return completed by our accountant for my wife due to cycle2work
“Don't raise your voice, improve your argument." - Desmond Tutu
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