F1rst Parking - Wrong reg number on PCN

Bach_Off

Hi,

Apologies if this has been posted before. If a driver receives a PCN on non-council property and the vehicle reg is misquoted - is it enforceable? (The reg number entered is invalid and doesn't exist). 

Thanks.

baser999

Personally I’d have thought nothing could be done - wrong registration, it doesn’t exist, so presume the PCN hasn’t been served correctly

B789

Was this a windscreen NtD or a PCN by post? If the latter, how did they get your name and address if they had the wrong VRN?

The_Slithy_Tove

What often happens is that they magically "correct" the error* when you don't pay the windscreen ticket in the 28 days, and they then send a Notice to Keeper down the line. So don't expect it to go away.

When the NtK arrives, you'll be able to appeal using the standard text in the NEWBIES thread, happy in the knowledge that they will have failed POFA, and so can't hold the keeper liable. (The killer point is that the details in the Notice to Driver must match those in the Notice to Keeper, which they won't.) DO NOT give away who the driver was at any point.

Right now, do nothing. Wait and see what happens.

[*This may be a deliberate "mistake" on the PPC's part to entice you into contacting them, and owning up to who the driver was. Or a genuine error that gets picked up when they look at the photos they took and enter the information into their systems later.]

Bach_Off

B789 said:

Was this a windscreen NtD or a PCN by post? If the latter, how did they get your name and address if they had the wrong VRN?

Hi - it was a windscreen NtD.

The_Slithy_Tove said:

What often happens is that they magically "correct" the error* when you don't pay the windscreen ticket in the 28 days, and they then send a Notice to Keeper down the line. So don't expect it to go away.

When the NtK arrives, you'll be able to appeal using the standard text in the NEWBIES thread, happy in the knowledge that they will have failed POFA, and so can't hold the keeper liable. (The killer point is that the details in the Notice to Driver must match those in the Notice to Keeper, which they won't.) DO NOT give away who the driver was at any point.

Right now, do nothing. Wait and see what happens.

[*This may be a deliberate "mistake" on the PPC's part to entice you into contacting them, and owning up to who the driver was. Or a genuine error that gets picked up when they look at the photos they took and enter the information into their systems later.]

Thank you. Will be honest and say the ticket is justified - there were no spaces, so it was parked at the end of a bay same as another two other vehicles (so we will all have tickets unfortunately). There is a ANPR system barrier system in the car park, so they will have access to the correct reg no and I guess a NtK is inevitable. I just wonder if its unpaid, whether they will kick the vehicle off their parking permit system (Hozah).

Coupon-mad

Wait till day 25 (you already know why, from the NEWBIES thread...).

Then:

Submit an appeal online, using the WRONG VRM and DO NOT MENTION THE WRONG VRM.  Instead, state that you found this PCN on your car that you are the registered keeper of, and the driver will not be admitted.  This is your appeal and the signs & lines are inadequate, the named vehicle was not in contravention and you deny liability.

Then see what they come back with.

auteur

Had similar windscreen NtD from F1RST on a vehicle I am RK of, with VRN incorrect. However, on getting to day 25 and going to appeal online, it does not recognise the details (i.e. the wrong VRN on the windscreen ticket). So they must have corrected it in their systems.

Presumably I should go ahead and use the actual VRN to make sure my appeal is logged - and I still have the defence that the NtD and NtK do not match? Is there any issue with 'revealing' the correct VRN from my end?

Half_way

Bach_Off said:

Thank you. Will be honest and say the ticket is justified - there were no spaces, so it was parked at the end of a bay same as another two other vehicles (so we will all have tickets unfortunately). There is a ANPR system barrier system in the car park, so they will have access to the correct reg no and I guess a NtK is inevitable. I just wonder if its unpaid, whether they will kick the vehicle off their parking permit system (Hozah).

If the vehicle was not causing an obstruction, then would it justify paying an un regulated private company an extortionate sum of money dressed up as a "parking charge notice"?

Umkomaas

auteur said:

Had similar windscreen NtD from F1RST on a vehicle I am RK of, with VRN incorrect. However, on getting to day 25 and going to appeal online, it does not recognise the details (i.e. the wrong VRN on the windscreen ticket). So they must have corrected it in their systems.

Presumably I should go ahead and use the actual VRN to make sure my appeal is logged - and I still have the defence that the NtD and NtK do not match? Is there any issue with 'revealing' the correct VRN from my end?

It doesn't sound that you've received a NtK yet.  They have between days 28 and 56 (from the parking event date) to issue it, so it will only be at the point of receipt that you can check whether the VRMs match. If they don't, the PPC can't transfer liability to the keeper. 

But, as this is @Bach_Off's thread, would you be good enough to open a new one of your own if you need further advice on your ticket please.