is the public allowed to provide private parking firms with vehicle reg and time etc?

pop23

signage has changed from when to google took the pics. There is the one I photographed at the entrance, then one zip tied to a lamppost (first post on left) and one on a wooden post hammered into someone's lawn. Is that inadequate? My main dispute was that a member of the public took the photo as there are no cameras.

The sign says there are cameras but the only camera is the local resident's. is that legal?

is there a legal difference between a 'private road' and an 'unadopted road'? 

patient_dream

pop23 said:

signage has changed from when to google took the pics. There is the one I photographed at the entrance, then one zip tied to a lamppost (first post on left) and one on a wooden post hammered into someone's lawn. Is that inadequate? My main dispute was that a member of the public took the photo as there are no cameras.

The sign says there are cameras but the only camera is the local resident's. is that legal?

is there a legal difference between a 'private road' and an 'unadopted road'? 

Private or Unadopted simply means that the council want nothing to do with the road ... although they still collect council tax from the properties.

Usually there is a residents association because everyone has to chip in for road repairs etc. 

The PPC must have a contract with permission to operate and I don't think a self ticketer has that authority

Fruitcake

There is no IPC ATA logo on the brown sign which is a breach of the IPC CoP

I suggest a complaint should be made to the IPC and your MP.

I would also ask the local council planning department if advertising consent for the sign(s) has been granted. Not having it is a criminal offence. If no consent exists then I suggest a complaint is made to the council planning department and your MP.

Half_way

I had a look on streetview and it does smell of un adopted road, things  such as lack of street lighting, and a change in the road surface are clues.

 Local authorities are often slow to very slow in adopting roads in new builds, as while they may take the same tax from residents they are far less keen to then have to add roads to their budgets when the residents can pay for it ( and pay the same tax as those who have their roads publicly maintained)

In these cases you will either have a managment agents/company looking after things ( including the dreaded PPCs) oand/or a residents committee  - with committees you usually get those who sit on their hands and never volunteer to do anything but moan  about everything, to the busybodys who stick their nose in everywhere - sometimes you get meetings with just three or l less there to make decisions ( despite failing to have enough for  a quorum) All the committees that i have been involved with ( none of them resident/roads ones just things like halls/community facilities/groups etc) have all been scared of the "will i be liable for anything " aspect

It would appear in this case that one of these committees ( or management company's)  have appointed a PPC and odds on they will be using something called self ticketing ( a busybodys wet dream) this is where the PPC puts up or provides some signs a pack of "parking charge notices" and access to a smartphone app, an appointed person puts up some signs and sits curtain twitching waiting for a strange car to enter before pouncing, armed with a PCN sticker and the smartphone app poised and ready - camera open in order to claim their bonus for ensnaring a motorist with a parking charge notice.

The issue here is that of signage - the PPCs like to think they are as respectable as councils ( who in turn fail with the basics like signage) you would at least expect it to be the same as council run permit schemes or limits .

 Then there are also other issues with  PPC signs and if they can be be enforced such as are they forbidding? can they offer anything? and do they meet the beavis test? from what ive seen they fail on all aspects.

If the parking area is run/managed by a committee and you want to have some fun/fight back and you can find out who they are ( might be difficult) then informing them that they are liable for the actions of their agents, including but not limited to breaches of GDPR then that may have an effect

But we do need to see some of the more up to date signs and road markings

Half_way

In the linked council minutes of Honeybourne Parish Council  it states "other Dis-closable interest : resident in Stephenson way" if you do a tiny bit of digging you may find an address and a person

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE POST THAT PERSONS DETAILS ON HERE, OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

WHILE THEY COULD BE A RESIDENT ( OR KNOW A RESIDENT) THEY MAY ALSO NOT BE INVOLVED IN A COMMITTEE., RESIDENTS GROUP OR OTHER  AS WITH ALL RESIDENTIAL CASES THEY COULD ALSO BE A VICTIM OF THE PPC

by all means write a polite letter asking for help, and asking who the management committee are are they /those on it could be liable for the actions of an un regulated parking company operating on the development ( district enforcement) and you need to make contact with them - but keep it polite and friendly, and you must not share their address details etc with anyone  - go at it as a concerned member of the public worried that someone may be putting themselves in a spot of trouble by allowing an un regulated parking  company to operate.

The best parking solution to this road would be either to have it adopted with propper council run enforcement , or to have it gated with a key pad for entry and a code that can be given to delivery drivers etc

pop23

Fruitcake said:

There is no IPC ATA logo on the brown sign which is a breach of the IPC CoP

I suggest a complaint should be made to the IPC and your MP.

I would also ask the local council planning department if advertising consent for the sign(s) has been granted. Not having it is a criminal offence. If no consent exists then I suggest a complaint is made to the council planning department and your MP.

Many thanks

You'll have to treat me like a dullard; CoP? 

Can the council enforce lack of advertising consent if the road is 'private' ? 

Umkomaas

You'll have to treat me like a dullard; CoP? 

Code of Practice.

Councils can enforce against unauthorised advertising on private land. The harsh reality is, they don't!

Brie

On a side note I was shocked when visiting family in Canada a few months back and was asked to pick someone up at a railway station.  I think the parking lot was capable of having several hundred cars in it.  All parking for free.  One brother will drive there and leave his car and take the train into the city for a few days.   Other than space being an issue I wonder why this is not possible in the UK as it would make commuting a much easier/affordable/less stressful thing.

pop23

Have checked with Wychavon Council no application for advertising consent has been found. 

Umkomaas

pop23 said:

Have checked with Wychavon Council no application for advertising consent has been found. 

You could ask them to investigate and enforce as failure to obtain advertising consent (quite different to planning permission) is a criminal offence. Unless you're prepared to be on the back of the council chasing them to enforce, don't hold your breath on anything happening. By the way, they cannot issue retrospective consent, but many do to avoid getting into conflict.