Fined for missing Gatwick Drop Off payment and initial fines sent to old address

Zyzz

B789 said:

Did you "reach out" by phone or in writing?

In writing, I have this on record.

Coupon-mad

Zyzz said:

Coupon-mad said:

Obviously you reply to BW, which is why it starts 'Dear Sirs' and ends 'yours faithfully'.  Standard solicitor salutation and sign-off.

Thank you very much!

Done the BPA complaint as well, to Sara and quoting the correct complaint ref to add your case to?

Zyzz

Coupon-mad said:

Done the BPA complaint as well, to Sara and quoting the correct complaint ref to add your case to?

Thanks for the follow up, was just drafting that letter when you posted this and the email has now been sent to Sara, adding the case to the Formal Complaint against the NCP quoting the reference you provided.

Zyzz

Update in case anyone is interested. I complained to Gatwick Airport and they said I should contact NCP. I replied with a much longer complaint and told them it was their responsibility to ensure NCP treats customers fairly. As a result, my fine got reduced from £170 to £15! For me, this is a satisfactory outcome and I will pay the £15 as I don’t think it’s worth going to court over given the amount of time I would need to spend and how low the fine is.

Thank you once again for all of the great advice and essentially saving me £155. I hope everyone else’s cases go well and people continue to fight back against these ridiculous PCNs.

Coupon-mad

That's good enough, I guess! ... £15 is the discounted amount on the original PCN.

And we sincerely hope that you are au fait with the need to respond to the final Government Public Consultation?

We all need to ram the nail in the coffin of the false £70 'DRA fee' add-on, that actually funds the court claim and toxic CCJ culture, as well as the DRA and roboclaim 'legals' gaslighting of people.

The Code also plans to cap most parking charges at £50.  All of this needs public support!

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Zyzz

I will definitely subscribe to the thread and show my support during the consultation. This is clearly ridiculous model that preys on peoples fear of the legal system and should not be allowed to continue. Even though I didn’t get completely shafted by the £170, it wasted a lot of my time and I have developed strong(er) hatred for PPCs.

B789

Zyzz said:

Update in case anyone is interested. I complained to Gatwick Airport and they said I should contact NCP. I replied with a much longer complaint and told them it was their responsibility to ensure NCP treats customers fairly. As a result, my fine got reduced from £170 to £15! For me, this is a satisfactory outcome and I will pay the £15 as I don’t think it’s worth going to court over given the amount of time I would need to spend and how low the fine is.

Thank you once again for all of the great advice and essentially saving me £155. I hope everyone else’s cases go well and people continue to fight back against these ridiculous PCNs.

After all the advice and references to the Newbies thread, you are still calling it a "FINE". You were NEVER "fined". You were issued an invoice and subsequently chased to pay your "debt".

Who actually changed your debt from £155 to £15? Did Gatwick airport respond to your second complaint with the details or did the PPC get back to you with the revised debt or did their legal rottweilers make the offer?

Either way, a fool and their money are easily parted when, in actual fact, you did not have to pay a penny in this scam. Hey ho!

(Disappointed from Purley)

Zyzz

B789 said:

After all the advice and references to the Newbies thread, you are still calling it a "FINE". You were NEVER "fined". You were issued an invoice and subsequently chased to pay your "debt".

Who actually changed your debt from £155 to £15? Did Gatwick airport respond to your second complaint with the details or did the PPC get back to you with the revised debt or did their legal rottweilers make the offer?

Either way, a fool and their money are easily parted when, in actual fact, you did not have to pay a penny in this scam. Hey ho!

(Disappointed from Purley)

It was Gatwick Airport who talked to NCP and I paid the NCP directly. Yes you’re correct it, technically wasn’t a fine. It was an invoice. I completely agree with you in principle, I shouldn’t have paid at all. However, I did use their facility which means I should have paid £5. So in essence I paid an additional £10 to avoid 10s of hours of preparing a defence, a court date which would likely have coincided with my final university exams, resulting in my graduation being delayed. Hence my contract for my job which depends on me graduating would be in jeopardy.

Again, in principle, yes I shouldn’t have paid anything here. In reality however, £15 to the PPC (none to the legal Rottweilers) is a small price to pay for the huge amount of time and additional stress a court case would place on me. If it was still £170, different story, I would’ve made a plan and fought. I mean £15 is like one hour worth of working a fairly averagely payed job, so the ROI of spending all these hours to save £15 is just not worth it in my case.

So yes, a fool and his money are easily parted, but a wise person values their time over their money, for time is the one resource that once spent, can never be regained. Say it takes me 10 hours to win the case, £1.50 per hour of my time? No ways, plus 10 hours is a very conservative estimate. Should these people be allowed to force people to spend hours defending themselves over bogus claims? Of course not. I will show my support in the public consultations and try to prevent these scammers from being allowed to do this in the future as this is a far better spend of my time.

B789

I am happy to see that you have learned a lesson from all this. One thing though, if all advice that is given here had been followed, it would have taken just a few minutes to find the correct wording to challenge the NTK in the first place and you would have been £15 better off.

In future, you know that any attempt to chase the keeper of a car for an invoice issued without POFA, or not on "relevant land" is futile by the PPC. Liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper so long as the driver has not been revealed. In theory, you never have to pay the £5 fee for using the facility even though it is a genuine attempt to reduce congestion by putting as many people as possible off from driving up to the terminal. It is also a nice little "earner" for the airport.

The PPC makes its profits from the gullible sheep who transgress by either accidentally driving through the "drop-off" zone or by forgetting to pay the £5 within 24 hours and pay up the charge (or fine as so many believe it is). Unfortunately, there are so many who do fall for the extortion that it makes no real difference to the PPC when the wise (those who have visited this forum and read the advice) manage to get off using the law to their advantage.

rhemerson

Zyzz said:

Update in case anyone is interested. I complained to Gatwick Airport and they said I should contact NCP. I replied with a much longer complaint and told them it was their responsibility to ensure NCP treats customers fairly. As a result, my fine got reduced from £170 to £15! For me, this is a satisfactory outcome and I will pay the £15 as I don’t think it’s worth going to court over given the amount of time I would need to spend and how low the fine is.

Thank you once again for all of the great advice and essentially saving me £155. I hope everyone else’s cases go well and people continue to fight back against these ridiculous PCNs.

Hi could you provide contact details of how you complained to both Gatwick and PCN. Iv sent 5 emails with a simular case and had no response. Im very happy to have found this tread and have emailed that Sara person and consumer watchdog. Im still getting threatening letters from BW legal for a £170 fine out the blue which id rather stop. Im also stressed it may effect my credit rating. I spent a long time trying to call PCN but the phone lines are just awful, endelss wait lines and disconnection issues.