Can a London congestion charge PCN be enforced if the line of the sign wasn't crossed?

antivirtel

Hi,

I've recently got a PCN for "entering" to the London Congestion Charge zone, whereas I stopped before the line of the sign and reversed out (I was in the street only 1-2m). It's even visible on the PCN photos (that I reversed out). See photo, the line of the sign is 2-3m more in, that just caught that I was about to turn in:

They already rejected my representation with some BS that they don't actually need to make sure I cross the line of the sign, they can put the cameras wherever they want to take the best pictures, and charge as many people as they can, starting at £80 each. I even provided GPS evidence that I didn't actually drive in the zone. 

I'm thinking of taking it further to court (appeal), but I'm not sure if I can find any actual sentence/paragraph in any traffic acts/highway code which says the line of the sign matters.

Can a PCN be enforced if the line of the sign wasn't crossed?

Does anyone have any experience with the appeal/court? What are my chances?

Thank you!

Also posted on  https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/165297/can-a-cc-pcn-be 

Umkomaas

Also posted on  https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/165297/can-a-cc-pcn-be 

Try posting on PePiPoo.

As we major on private parking tickets here, PePiPoo will be your best bet for council tickets. Register there but please note that a Hotmail address won't work - try using a throwaway Gmail account instead if you do have trouble registering, and post a new thread; here's your link:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=30

Have a read through some of the other threads there before you post your own, to get the hang of what information they need from you in your opening post - but as a minimum you will need to post redacted photos/scans of all correspondence you've received from the council (both sides, if appropriate), as they need to see all the small print.

prowla

Well, if you didn't enter the zone then how can you be charged for entering the zone...

Of course, the scammers (including councils) don't really care about the rights and wrongs of things, so the onus is back on you to face up to them.

Hope it works out!

Fruitcake

Don't forget to complain to your MP as well, and ask them to forward it to the MP where the alleged event took place.

Keep_pedalling

AFAIK the congestion charge applies to the whole street and there are no lines marking the boundary. There should have been a warning on Grafton way warning you that you would enter the CZ by turning into TCR.

antivirtel

Thanks all for the replies!