Suggestions for smart tv

sevenhills

TVs these days have a contrast ratio of around 5,000:1. Some are a lot more, but higher is better.

Chickereeeee

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I had a look at Richer Sounds, wanting a satellite tuner seems to be the big problem.

They have the LG OLEDs, a bit expensive in 65" but the 55" is affordable (I wanted bigger than current so I feel I have upgraded ) I could live with 55" I suppose (the 65 is £500 more)

I'm a bit worried by OLED, apparently leaving it on the same channel for hours a day as background is not considered normal and will end up burning the logo into the screen by wearing out the OLEDs in a short time (well I consider 6 months a very short time )

I'm experimenting with PLEX as a media server at the moment, LG support PLEX.

I use the Plex app on my LG, and in combination with my NAS, it is great. I would not want to go back to the old was (media server on NAS, or Plex app on tablet and cast to TV).

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getmore4less said:

Our Panasonic OLED has significant image retention on the red
BBC news is worst and YouTube has not done it any good(OH uses pause a lot).

I researched this, and OLEDs suffer from

retention - where there is a ghost image that persists for a few minutes but goes away (which would really annoy me if it is that noticeable) I don't understand why this would happen, unless the leds actually do get tired!

burn in (pixel ageing) - where the leds wear out and dim slightly. This never goes away and can be seen best on a totally red screen as dark areas (the red leds wear out fastest)

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

LG have Screen jiggle which they call screen shift to move the static part of the image around, and something called pixel refresher that measures degradation of the leds  every 4 hours and winds them up a bit to compensate.

LGs advice is not to use the panel "out of normal conditions" i.e. watching content with logos, static menus, or black bars because it isn't 16:9. Very useful, as these make up 99.9% of my viewing!

I did find a youtube video of someone with 12,000 hours on an LG OLED, he can see burn in, but his camera doesn't pick it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_aEg2HrSSc

I eventually managed to get the service menu up for my samsung, (enter the secret sequence and wait, wait, wait) and not only is it over 5 years old, but it has 12,645 hours on it, which works out to 7 hours a day.

I'm considering the LG OLED55C24LA which gets rave reviews, or the LG 65QNED816QA (if it actually does have twin tuners) wanting satellite and terrestrial tuners seems to be the stumbling block at the moment. (Yes I could buy a freesat box, but the only ones about seem to be by manhattan, and cost £250, plus it would be another box in the way and controller to store)

I doubt if I'd notice the contrast difference, but I believe the QNED has a matte screen which will stop annoying reflections.

Bonhomie

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MilesT6060842 said:

Have you considered keeping the current TV, but connecting an Android based streaming media player instead, may be more likely to hit all your requirements and will be very much cheaper?  And/or Chromecast, Firestick, or Roku, or a "media PC" (wireless remote/keyboard(?

This area keeps evolving so quickly at the moment that waiting for a better TV may be better.  That said although UK doesn't have to comply, EU regulations on power consumption for TVs is restricting availability of larger high end models--some bigger 4k models available globally don't comply, and apparently none of the emerging 8k models comply.  (EU needs a bit of a rethink on this, as physics is likely to mean that it will be practically impossible to make a large 8k screen that complies).

(Roku is not android and made to a price, no "parental" controls but does cover all the streaming services and a lot more.  Personally I refreshed an old TV with theirtop of the range Streambar which is a combined soundbar and streaming device).

My ##@# Samsung has several intermittent faults

When I connect through the HDMIs, occasionally the sound drops out for an annoying fraction of a second, maybe once every hour. Winding back it plays fine.

Sometimes picture & sound drop out and flash back on every couple of minutes. It might go weeks without doing it, but when this happens I have to switch the TV off at the mains to fix it.

The ARC stopped working a while ago too.

I tried HDMI 2.1 certified cables, even though I peg everything to 1080p and it still does it. It may have a bit of guarantee left, if it stayed broken I could report it....

I wanted android as I can install VLC & MVP then play media off the NAS & main PC with external subtitles.

So I need a new TV really...

I'd still go with the Android box. Not only can I play media from network storage with subtitles, but I can stream directly from my stuff in the Cloud.
Example, rather than a recommendation: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Android-Upgraded-Amlogic-Quad-core-Bluetooth/dp/B095HL8G64

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Bonhomie said:

I'd still go with the Android box. Not only can I play media from network storage with subtitles, but I can stream directly from my stuff in the Cloud.
Example, rather than a recommendation: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Android-Upgraded-Amlogic-Quad-core-Bluetooth/dp/B095HL8G64

Interesting, I'm playing with Plex at the moment, it does support aye ess ess external subtitles.

It might be all I need.

I have a dedicated media pc anyway, I just wanted a tv that does 90% of what the pc can then I don't have to have the pc powered on as well and have another remote to play with.

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Well, it appears that the web consensus is that the LG QNED actually has a screen like a mirror, and is a rubbish picture.

Recommendation is the Samsung QE55QN90B, which I guess is a 6 year newer version of mine, and the same price as the LG OLED55C24LA. Tizen puts me off though. They aren't as heavily discounted in the "sales" so I suppose panic over for a while.

I think my apparently unique usage habits will not suit OLED

getmore4less

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getmore4less said:

Our Panasonic OLED has significant image retention on the red
BBC news is worst and YouTube has not done it any good(OH uses pause a lot).

I researched this, and OLEDs suffer from

retention - where there is a ghost image that persists for a few minutes but goes away (which would really annoy me if it is that noticeable) I don't understand why this would happen, unless the leds actually do get tired!

burn in (pixel ageing) - where the leds wear out and dim slightly. This never goes away and can be seen best on a totally red screen as dark areas (the red leds wear out fastest)

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

LG have Screen jiggle which they call screen shift to move the static part of the image around, and something called pixel refresher that measures degradation of the leds  every 4 hours and winds them up a bit to compensate.

LGs advice is not to use the panel "out of normal conditions" i.e. watching content with logos, static menus, or black bars because it isn't 16:9. Very useful, as these make up 99.9% of my viewing!

I did find a youtube video of someone with 12,000 hours on an LG OLED, he can see burn in, but his camera doesn't pick it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_aEg2HrSSc

I eventually managed to get the service menu up for my samsung, (enter the secret sequence and wait, wait, wait) and not only is it over 5 years old, but it has 12,645 hours on it, which works out to 7 hours a day.

I'm considering the LG OLED55C24LA which gets rave reviews, or the LG 65QNED816QA (if it actually does have twin tuners) wanting satellite and terrestrial tuners seems to be the stumbling block at the moment. (Yes I could buy a freesat box, but the only ones about seem to be by manhattan, and cost £250, plus it would be another box in the way and controller to store)

I doubt if I'd notice the contrast difference, but I believe the QNED has a matte screen which will stop annoying reflections.

even the regular(4hr) and extended maintenance cycles won't stop it.

Our TV is on a lot more than it needs to be OH just hits pause and goes do other things.

Just watching BBC news a lot will kill an OLED that's what showed first on ours. 

contrast
OLED are technically infinite as they can have pixels completely off.

Getting the right TV for the ambient light viewing conditions is more important than just a how dark or bright or contrast 

The eyes have limitations that also need to be taken into account look up contrast sensitivity and ratio
 

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getmore4less said:

even the regular(4hr) and extended maintenance cycles won't stop it.

Our TV is on a lot more than it needs to be OH just hits pause and goes do other things.

Just watching BBC news a lot will kill an OLED that's what showed first on ours. 

contrast
OLED are technically infinite as they can have pixels completely off.

Getting the right TV for the ambient light viewing conditions is more important than just a how dark or bright or contrast 

The eyes have limitations that also need to be taken into account look up contrast sensitivity and ratio
 

Thanks.

My usage is definitely going to kill an OLED. As I mentioned before, I thought I was unique, but I do what your OH does, hit pause and then get engrossed in Something Else for an hour, or leave it on a menu after a video has finished

I have a Samsung KS8000 quantum dot LED at the moment, so I'm used to the LED picture.

It's reluctance to work with the HDMI's is my main problem, it crashing fairly often is annoying, and the screen reflections make it unwatchable on sunny afternoons.

I heard that OLED is kinder to the eyes, which is why I fancied one, but it doesn't matter how good it is if I kill it in short order.

I'm definitely looking to the QE55QN90B  Neo QLED at the moment, but they are a bit pricey, and there are 2023 models due out in a couple of months, which ought to make them cheaper

getmore4less

If you look at something like price spy you can see the price profile of sets over the year.

We are moving into the period when they get cheaper BUT over time supply dries up for the best value Q2/Q3 was the sweet spot last time we bought.
TX-55EZ952. June 2018. now 4.5 years old.

Have a look at AV forum for the annual recommend by Dodgexander.

The chase for higher nits to support HDR can just make TV too bright for many day to day uses without adjustment.


Surprisingly even with a trashed red most viewing is still not too bad.
Heavy red programs, like some game shows, don't look great

The detail in dark and bright scenes is one area OLED wins the latest LCD are getting better than when we bought ours.

You mentioned reflections we have our TV located where there are none and we don't watch when the room is very bright, the lower peak of the OLED is fine.

Ours is at 14494 hours 5329 power cycles

11 full maintenance cycles. 2680 successful short cycles.

Although big upfront cost I now look at expected life time weekly cost in beer units.
It was £1k so needs a bit longer still over £4/week.

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getmore4less said:

If you look at something like price spy you can see the price profile of sets over the year.

We are moving into the period when they get cheaper BUT over time supply dries up for the best value Q2/Q3 was the sweet spot last time we bought.
TX-55EZ952. June 2018. now 4.5 years old.

Have a look at AV forum for the annual recommend by Dodgexander.

The chase for higher nits to support HDR can just make TV too bright for many day to day uses without adjustment.


Surprisingly even with a trashed red most viewing is still not too bad.
Heavy red programs, like some game shows, don't look great

The detail in dark and bright scenes is one area OLED wins the latest LCD are getting better than when we bought ours.

You mentioned reflections we have our TV located where there are none and we don't watch when the room is very bright, the lower peak of the OLED is fine.

Ours is at 14494 hours 5329 power cycles

11 full maintenance cycles. 2680 successful short cycles.

Although big upfront cost I now look at expected life time weekly cost in beer units.
It was £1k so needs a bit longer still over £4/week.

Thanks.

I 'phoned a friend with an LG OLED, and he reports that the Queen's death burnt the BBC News clock into the red on his screen- well leaving it on BBC News all day did it.

I am decided on that Samsung, but, on the grounds that it could save me £1100, I've just pulled the trigger on a factory reset on mine, I suspect it won't fix it. 

Research indicates I have HDCP problems, quite a few complaints on t'interweb about HDCP problems with the one connect box that my TV has.

£1100 is a lot of money for a picture I won't be able to tell apart from the one I get now, but I spend an average of 7 hours a day in front of it, so I suppose fixing my HDMI annoyances and having an anti-reflection screen might be worth it in the long run.

Thanks all.