Another Ticket to contest 14 December 2022 at 9:24AM in Parking tickets, fines & parking 20 replies 437 views

darkestmoment

Morning,
Had good advice on her previous regarding to two Heathrow PCN's received. First time ever had a ticket in 12 years driving and only gone and got another PCN within a month. The driver of the vehicle ovestayed a max 3 free hour parking by 50 minutes.
This is a retail par park that is split between Costa, Aldi and B&Q.  I have attempted to get manager at Costa to request to revoke ticket but am not having much luck.  I shall be continuing to send a complaint to both Costa and Aldi with copies of proof of purchases spent on the day etc.  I have however been away and will need to appeal to Euro Car Parks as 28 deadline in a few days.

I have read through Newbie stickie patch and searched forums for any similar Euro Car park cases. Am I right in thinking that the initial appeal should be along the lines of the template below only at this stage?  Or shall I include everything regarding; Non-compliance with requirements and timetable set out in Schedule 4 of POFA 2012, The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge, poor photo evidence etc?  Or is this just used when conducting the Popla appeal? Thanks

(template will use below)

Re PCN number: 

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Le_Kirk

Newbie stickie patch

I like it!  If that appeal is the one in the NEWBIE written in blue, then yes it is the correct one.

Umkomaas

Just use the basic template you've copied and pasted above. Adding anything to it won't help, and if you use the wrong form of words, can hinder. 

Get your POPLA code on rejection then take it from there. But note, this won't be as easy as getting shot of Heathrow dropping off charges. Is there any update you need to do on your previous thread?

Coupon-mad

Take a couple of non-close up images of the signs inside the car park as you will need them if you are forced to try POPLA. 

The only likely point to win v ECP is that the £100 is in small print so you have to prove that with dated photos. You can get an app to stamp the date on images if your phone doesn't.

But ALSO try a complaint to B&Q saying you were looking possible Christmas presents for a DIY enthusiast relative that day and have now been put off returning.

darkestmoment

Below are photos of notice received. Thanks for the responses. Shall submit appeal from template above initially.

I will return to the car park to obtain pictures of the signage present. Assuming by your comment Coupon-mad that not disclosing the driver does not have the same power when on Airport land?

Umkommas - shall be updating my other Heathrow parking notice by end of the week. Just awaiting for a certain date to pass on the 2nd appeal... 

Coupon-mad

I thought it was a retail park, not Airport land?

Not_A_Hope

Your VRM is showing in the first para. You might wish delete and upload a fully redacted copy

darkestmoment

Not_A_Hope said:

Your VRM is showing in the first para. You might wish delete and upload a fully redacted copy

Thanks, now corrected. Good spot

darkestmoment

Coupon-mad said:

I thought it was a retail park, not Airport land?

Previous thread which you've supported has been in relation to 2 x Heathrow PCN's

One above is another PCN from a retail park the driver visited...

Coupon-mad

Completely different land, then and that PCN is a POFA one that can hold the keeper liable.

darkestmoment

Evening,
So date of event is 09/11 and date issued is 18/11.
Does this mean that any chance of getting this revoked is only by pushing the retailers present for the car park? (Aldi, costa, B&Q etc) ?