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For next year holidays we had to email or manger as it’s only two of per a team.


She emailed back few weeks later to show most been approved, however some people had three people off on same day, so she said sort amongst yourself any issues let me know


So I started a group chat with other two who did not reply, until I said no problem if you can’t cancel will go back to manager


They both said they can’t go abroad, o want to go abroad too and only that date with Hare Krishna I’m Europe, I already misss last year due to work and missed some other hoilday while back due to a different job.


Anyway went back to my manager with screenshot, who was useless, she said email said sort it amongst yourself, I said we tried, hence came back to you, she said I can’t really do anything.


My old manger would have helped went to her manager or done first come first serve.


I don’t know how I’m gona solve it the other two won’t budge and why should I miss out, I don’t mind a refusal, I just don’t want it to be unfair 


Stupid rule anyway what if I had a cousins wedding that much notice everyone gets it off expect me, no one belive me.

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  • Spendless
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    Surely NONE  of you are going to be off unless it's approved, not that the other 2 get to go and you don't. Unless you mean they've already had their time off approved? 

    It's not  a stupid rule. It is like this in most companies (a  point I often make when people think all parents of school -aged kids should all take the same weeks off!). Most places only allow so many at once absent, or only one off or only 1-2 in a certain department off. 

    If you were attending a wedding, then you'd tell your manager well ahead of the date when the 'holiday booking' first came out and they'd know you needed to be off that particular date and you'd email first. 
  • sim2335
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    Spendless said:
    Surely NONE  of you are going to be off unless it's approved, not that the other 2 get to go and you don't. Unless you mean they've already had their time off approved? 

    It's not  a stupid rule. It is like this in most companies (a  point I often make when people think all parents of school -aged kids should all take the same weeks off!). Most places only allow so many at once absent, or only one off or only 1-2 in a certain department off. 

    If you were attending a wedding, then you'd tell your manager well ahead of the date when the 'holiday booking' first came out and they'd know you needed to be off that particular date and you'd email first. 
    How’s it gona be decided if all three want it off, manager did not even as reason why.

    with wedding imagining if I had wedding same date  I assume she would say same 

    ok leave the rule but maybe you should have at least 5 days off graunteed out of your hoilday, regardless who’s off
  • 74jax
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    sim2335 said:
    Spendless said:
    Surely NONE  of you are going to be off unless it's approved, not that the other 2 get to go and you don't. Unless you mean they've already had their time off approved? 

    It's not  a stupid rule. It is like this in most companies (a  point I often make when people think all parents of school -aged kids should all take the same weeks off!). Most places only allow so many at once absent, or only one off or only 1-2 in a certain department off. 

    If you were attending a wedding, then you'd tell your manager well ahead of the date when the 'holiday booking' first came out and they'd know you needed to be off that particular date and you'd email first. 
    How’s it gona be decided if all three want it off, manager did not even as reason why.

    with wedding imagining if I had wedding same date  I assume she would say same 

    ok leave the rule but maybe you should have at least 5 days off graunteed out of your hoilday, regardless who’s off
    Even if you have a wedding to attend, it's not guaranteed? I booked my wedding and couldn't have time off afterwards due to no holidays available for a month.  A wedding doesn't guarantee holidays?

    I'm not sure why 5 days should be allowed 'regardless who is off'. A company needs to run, it has a holiday policy and is sticking with it. 

    If your manager can't sort it, and all 3 still need time off, I'd email your manager stating this and ask it to escalate to whoever can make the decision.  
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  • TBagpuss
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    Your post isn't very clear - are you saying that your manager hasn't approved any of the holiday on the days that clash, or that they have approved them for others but not for you, because of the clash? If it is the latter, then it may be that they others did ask before you so she's saying (not very clearly) that they got it on a first come, first served basis but thatif you can work out a swap between yourslves then you can.

    If you have a specifc reason for neding those dates such as a religious festival then say so (I am not clear about your reference to Hare Krishna), as that might be a reason why it was fair to allow you that time off and to decline the request from someone else,  particualarly if  the other staff members don't celebrate that specifc holiday.

    Most companies have rules that require minimum levels of cover so you can't have too many people off at once. If you are saying that you all submitted the requrests art the sa time then it is not unreasponable to ask for clarification about the policies and how requests are prioritised - for instnance, whether people who have longer service get priority, whether they take into account how was approved ./ refsed when there was a previous clash etc. 

    If your manager is refusing to make a decison you can speak to someone more senior, however if the decision she has made is to approve the request of someone else and decline yours because there is a clash then you may just have to accept that you didn't et your first choice this time. 
    All posts are my personal opinion, not formal advice Always get proper, professional advice (particularly about anything legal!)
  • diystarter7
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    sim2335 said:

    For next year holidays we had to email or manger as it’s only two of per a team.


    She emailed back few weeks later to show most been approved, however some people had three people off on same day, so she said sort amongst yourself any issues let me know


    So I started a group chat with other two who did not reply, until I said no problem if you can’t cancel will go back to manager


    They both said they can’t go abroad, o want to go abroad too and only that date with Hare Krishna I’m Europe, I already misss last year due to work and missed some other hoilday while back due to a different job.


    Anyway went back to my manager with screenshot, who was useless, she said email said sort it amongst yourself, I said we tried, hence came back to you, she said I can’t really do anything.


    My old manger would have helped went to her manager or done first come first serve.


    I don’t know how I’m gona solve it the other two won’t budge and why should I miss out, I don’t mind a refusal, I just don’t want it to be unfair 


    Stupid rule anyway what if I had a cousins wedding that much notice everyone gets it off expect me, no one belive me.

    Hi OP

    Sorry to hear about your managers as not being up to the job as per your post.

    The "what ifs" - the best way around that and what we had in our office was, xx people off per section and those that were not off, did not want time off last xmas were given property and like your "useless manager" she told us to discuss and sort out and if more wanted time off at the same time and staff were not up to deciding after the above - names in a hat. Never came to names in a hat.

    A manager has to be seen fair and at times one section of work can have more people off due to the type of work

    If you are still not happy, consult your union and if you want to, HR after that but IMO, your manger is spot on.


    Take care.
  • sharpe106
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    Have the others been approved and yours denied?
  • Undervalued
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    sim2335 said:
    Spendless said:
    Surely NONE  of you are going to be off unless it's approved, not that the other 2 get to go and you don't. Unless you mean they've already had their time off approved? 

    It's not  a stupid rule. It is like this in most companies (a  point I often make when people think all parents of school -aged kids should all take the same weeks off!). Most places only allow so many at once absent, or only one off or only 1-2 in a certain department off. 

    If you were attending a wedding, then you'd tell your manager well ahead of the date when the 'holiday booking' first came out and they'd know you needed to be off that particular date and you'd email first. 
    How’s it gona be decided if all three want it off, manager did not even as reason why.

    with wedding imagining if I had wedding same date  I assume she would say same 

    ok leave the rule but maybe you should have at least 5 days off graunteed out of your hoilday, regardless who’s off
    Legally, unless you have a contractual agreement that guarantees some booking procedure, your employer can totally dictate when you and and cannot take your holiday subject only to giving you fairly minimal notice.

    Your legal right is to 5.6 weeks (28 days if full time) paid holiday to be taken when the employer chooses.
  • sim2335
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    Good news my manager just randomly said to me she will sort my hoidlays out.

    as before that I was talking to other girl, before manager came back she could not sort it, so she ask manager who said May have to put in a hat

    anyway later in day manager said she will sort it out.
  • Marvel1
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    Manager sounds useless, 3 staff can't sort it then it's names in hat - first 2 names pulled out get the dates.
  • General_Grant
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    sim2335 said:
    Good news my manager just randomly said to me she will sort my hoidlays out.

    as before that I was talking to other girl, before manager came back she could not sort it, so she ask manager who said May have to put in a hat

    anyway later in day manager said she will sort it out.
    So what happened?
    Did she sort  out a hat and names on pieces of paper?
    Who took the names out?  Who witnessed?
    Have you got the holiday?  Or nobody got the holiday so that all are equally annoyed?
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