Financial History / Score 5 December 2022 at 11:48AM in Credit file & ratings 9 replies 131 views

rodgkin

Dear all,
I have one question if you could help me.
It’s regarding the order of my name for the credit check the bank does to offer a credit card.
I’m a spanish national and as you may know in Spain we have two surnames.
My question is how should I fill up forms like electoral and another ones so the systems would know it’s me and not other person.
Like in electoral form for example, they ask for “First name (in full) and “Surname”.
My bank writes my name in full with both surnames.
- Should I fill electoral form only with my First name and then put only my last name on surname field or should I put both surnames on “surname” field?
Or both the first name and middle name would come in First name field?
- The same question is for when they write Family name instead of surname on the forms. How should I write?
- And when they have Middle name fields. Should I put my first surname on middle name field?

thank you

herebeme

Same as your passport. I assume this is what your bank has used? 

Same everywhere. 

Family name = surname(s). 

rodgkin

herebeme said:

Same as your passport. I assume this is what your bank has used? 

Same everywhere. 

Family name = surname(s). 

But what if they put in the form First names and last name? 
Should I put my first surname on the "First names" or in this case I will inform just my forename(first name) on this field?

Regards,

DullGreyGuy

It'd be the same as in spain, for anything formal like electoral roll, bank, driving license etc you use both names. You just put them with a space into the surname/family name box. You may find when you get docs the space is stripped or replaced with a hyphen but more systems are getting better with different naming conventions.

For anything informal you reduce to your paternal surname, if you wish

Family name/surname/ last name are the same thing
First name, given name, forename etc are all the same as each other

Some of the terminology gets confusing when you deal with those in the far east who have three names with the first being their family name and the next two being their given name but are really intended to be used together (unlike UK middle names which are generally rarely used). I know some run the two together, so an ex coleague was Luk Ka Man but anglocises her name to KaMan Luk as otherwise people call her Luk or Ka whereas she should be called Ka Man

Ebe_Scrooge

If the form asks for First Name(s) and Surname, then put your first and middle name(s) in the "First Names(s)" box.  Some forms will ask for First Name and Middle Names(s) in separate boxes.

The main thing is to keep it consistent - so whatever format you use for your bank, use the same for the Electoral Roll etc.

I can't see that having 2 surnames is an issue as such.  It's probably not much different to those who have double-barrelled surnames.  If you have 2 surnames, just put them both whenever a form asks for Surname/Last Name/Family Name, call it what you will.

rodgkin

DullGreyGuy said:

It'd be the same as in spain, for anything formal like electoral roll, bank, driving license etc you use both names. You just put them with a space into the surname/family name box. You may find when you get docs the space is stripped or replaced with a hyphen but more systems are getting better with different naming conventions.

For anything informal you reduce to your paternal surname, if you wish

Family name/surname/ last name are the same thing
First name, given name, forename etc are all the same as each other

Some of the terminology gets confusing when you deal with those in the far east who have three names with the first being their family name and the next two being their given name but are really intended to be used together (unlike UK middle names which are generally rarely used). I know some run the two together, so an ex coleague was Luk Ka Man but anglocises her name to KaMan Luk as otherwise people call her Luk or Ka whereas she should be called Ka Man

Thank you sir,
Just another question.
On formal forms, when they have First - Middle - and Last Name field should I put my first surname in Middle Name field instead or I leave Middle blank and put everything on last name to be like in the other registers?

Regards,

DullGreyGuy

leave it blank if you dont have a middle name, both maternal and paternal surnames should go into the surname box

Ebe_Scrooge

DullGreyGuy said:

leave it blank if you dont have a middle name, both maternal and paternal surnames should go into the surname box

Agreed.

Middle names can be confusing sometimes.  Certainly in the UK it's quite common to have a middle name.  But there are plenty of people who have no middle name, and plenty of people who have more than one middle name.  This is the reason why middle names are usually optional when filling out most forms.

But the Surname tends to be more important, and so it's important that you use them correctly when filling out forms.  I'd agree with DGG, and put both surnames in the surname box, then there can't be any confusion.

herebeme

Example: Juan (nombre simple) Garcia (apellido paterno) Morales (apellido materno).

In English offical form example 1>
Given name(s): Juan 
Surname: Garcia Morales

In English offical form example 2>
First name: Juan
Middle name(s): 
Surname: Garcia Morales

More complex examples, with compound first names. Some English forms won't recognise this, and will make the second part a middle name, but you should try and keep it consistent with your passport. 

Luis Miguel (nombre compuesto) Garcia (apellido paterno) Morales (apellido materno).
In English offical form example 1>
Given name(s): Luis Miguel
Surname: Garcia Morales

In English offical form example 2>
First name: Luis Miguel
Middle name(s): 
Surname: Garcia Morales

Use the same everywhere, including the NHS.

macman

If you hyphenate the two surnames, it's then obvious that they are both surnames, and not a middle name and surname.
So Juan Garcia-Morales.