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aayush
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Hi
I hope all are safe and well
I have e been with my present company for over 4 years now but have not seen any change in pay
I have had 4 disciplinary ( please note this is the only job where this has happened to me 2 are old and 1 is about to expire not sure what happened to the last one )
Each time I asked why there was no pay rise told the company not healthy
Now in my last 2 meetings told I am underperforming. why is taken them 4 years to find this out or is this another way of saying no rise till next year ( CAN I ASK HR THIS BUT NOT IT WISH COME BACK TO MY FD )
I was on 2 furloughs in the pandemic when around 6 to eight people were working from home thus am sure they got a pay rise or bonus
I asked d if could work from home and told no laptop to go round
Just before furlough, my son got covid symptoms thus I and wife had to sell isolate because the results to a long to come back I had my ssp taken back by the company even though I advised them they could claim from Government and they would get back,thus a tough 2 months making ends meet
I have seen other members of staff say they have covid and laptops are sent t their house so they can work from home or if the family visiting lap top sent or allowed to take them so they work from home, thus this favoritism I think but dismiss by management (CAN I ASK HR RE THIS BUT NOT IT WISH COME BACK TO MY FD )
I come t know a person who joined 6 months before me and left recently was on £6kmor then I am
I am on 24 plus £250. month bonus if I hit targets
What can I do
Await your response
I hope all are safe and well
I have e been with my present company for over 4 years now but have not seen any change in pay
I have had 4 disciplinary ( please note this is the only job where this has happened to me 2 are old and 1 is about to expire not sure what happened to the last one )
Each time I asked why there was no pay rise told the company not healthy
Now in my last 2 meetings told I am underperforming. why is taken them 4 years to find this out or is this another way of saying no rise till next year ( CAN I ASK HR THIS BUT NOT IT WISH COME BACK TO MY FD )
I was on 2 furloughs in the pandemic when around 6 to eight people were working from home thus am sure they got a pay rise or bonus
I asked d if could work from home and told no laptop to go round
Just before furlough, my son got covid symptoms thus I and wife had to sell isolate because the results to a long to come back I had my ssp taken back by the company even though I advised them they could claim from Government and they would get back,thus a tough 2 months making ends meet
I have seen other members of staff say they have covid and laptops are sent t their house so they can work from home or if the family visiting lap top sent or allowed to take them so they work from home, thus this favoritism I think but dismiss by management (CAN I ASK HR RE THIS BUT NOT IT WISH COME BACK TO MY FD )
I come t know a person who joined 6 months before me and left recently was on £6kmor then I am
I am on 24 plus £250. month bonus if I hit targets
What can I do
Await your response
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Sadly this looks like another case of favoritism and victimisation.
Indeed you can have a chat with HR, an informal one and mention no names and at the start of the informal chat seek their assurance that it is in confidence and not to go any further. However, if you mention names, then IMO, HR has a duty of care to investigate and people will be called in. (NB: When speaking with HR and in the real world, if the person/s you speak with are close to the person they think you are talking about, they will tell them so be sure you can trust the person you speak with - It is hard in situations like this but I am talking about real world life and not rules etc)
Sadly, in cases like this and from what you said, managers, where there is a will there is a way, will rightly or wrongly justify their actions or inactions.
When they told you you are "underperforming" did you ask for how long? If this was a lot longer before the last review, then they need to tell you IMO why you was not advised as like almost everyone, you are not a mind reader.
Consult your union.
Consult ACAS. They are there for solutions and therefore won't get involved directly atm but we have found them really good on free and very sensible and balanced advice.
TBH, the outfit you are working for does not seem like my cup of tea, have you considered moving? I've noted with smaller companies and in my experience, they apepar to have a lot more favorites and at times certain people get away with doing very little and getting paid a lot more than the person sitting next to them
Do you have a buddy at work that you can trust 100%, what do they think? Will the support you?
Only you can decide and chat to HR could go either way, you get a favorable resolution or it becomes worse
Good luck
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Equally, what somebody else is or was paid is in most circumstances irrelevant.
You can ask HR what you like but there is no guarantee it won't get back to your FD (who I assume is your immediate boss). HR work for the company to protect its interests. The are not in any way a neutral arbiter between employees and their management.
4 disciplinaries in as many years is not good! To say that they "expire" is largely meaningless, certainly for pay and promotion purposes. People remember and with a few exceptions (unlawful discrimination such as race, gender etc) the company can use whatever factors they like in deciding who to promote or award a pay rise.
I can't remember the precise details about the covid regulations but was SSP ever paid to people self isolating rather than being ill? Maybe somebody can remember what entitlements there were under these circumstances? If you were entitled to something then yes, it should have been paid. I would make very sure of the facts before making a fuss about it and even then consider how wise that would be in the current situation.
3,4 one was doing my job chasing debt for charity when it moved to address it had asked to have invoices sent to another address which was not on my system and this was because the charity wrote to the director of my company my stance you got the work done thus you should pay within set terms
4 one was not responding to emails re an insurance job which was taken on by our body shop without checking if had account for the company thus car left the site we getting paid only after chasing was the payment received
The other was not treating other members of staff with respect, I asked where here in the accounts office or other sites advised other sites asked for the name of the person when advised I told the person present what was sent to via email and showed it to both
Was told by the person would run me over with the bus if he saw out about
so I think all four disciplinaries just to make look bad
then the question of underperforming why taken fours to find this out
That is always going to be difficult to put behind you and be totally forgotten. The fact that you have not been awarded pay rises, when colleagues apparently have, suggests that the firm isn't particularly keen to retain your services.
To answer your actual question "What can I do".....
To be brutally honest, either keep your head down and do your level best to make a good impression from here on or look for another job.
You are focussing far too much on what is happening to other people, whereas you need to look at your own position and your own performance. Everything in your post suggests that your employer isn't exactly delighted with your performance - four disciplinaries in four years doesn't sound encouraging - so looking for another job might be in your best interests.
It’s not unlawful not to give a pay rise every year, and it’s not unlawful for staff to be paid different rates for the same job unless there’s a concern around discrimination due to protected characteristics.
I think if it was me I might well be looking at other jobs now.
In my organisation pay can be tied to performance so everyone needs to be really clear throughout the year as to whether they are hitting the objectives or not.
If they can’t really tell you how or why you’re underperforming and aren’t going to support you to get back up to speed they’re affectively telling you they don’t want you there. In which case cutting your losses is probably the best way to go.
you say not to go HR then who to go to as management eg FD has not got balls to tell other staff re the issues but wishes to remain within the 4 walls as wants to look good with directors as they not in the same building
IF I go without a fight seems they have won when other can get away with not doing the duties for 3 months
The only way HR can do anything is to go back to your manager and say why isn’t aayush getting a pay rise. To which the answer will be possibly “because he’s had four disciplinaries and is underperforming. “
You could potentially make a grievance but to the outside observer you are not doing that from a position of strength.
I suppose my question to you would be you don’t seem to have a lot of respect for your boss and you’ve had problems in this workplace that you haven’t had in others. So what’s the benefit to you in staying?