£400 Energy Grant for Residential mobile home park

Virgo19

I have been sent this, https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/energy-bills-support/energy-bills-support-factsheet-8-september-2022 ,it is an update on the government website, laying out how the grant is to be paid to residents buying gas and electric from the owners or management and not having a direct energy supplier, dated 21st October 

MWT

Still reads like a lot is not yet sorted out, and even what is there doesn't seem to have fully considered the ramifications of what they are proposing...

Still no answer for 'Park Homes' either ...

"All domestic households will also receive the £400 Energy Bills Support Scheme. We are working through exactly how different groups of consumers will receive this, using the most practical and tested routes available".

[Deleted User]

A couple of changes from what we already knew - although one of them we already knew through another route.

If you buy electricity from a landlord or a park owner etc, they must pass on the reduction in their tariff that they get from the commercial version of the EPG.  There will be legislation to enforce this.  - Interesting to clarify, but I think unnecessary because this should already be covered by the rules around re-selling of electricity.

If electricity is included in your rent, your landlord must pass on the relevant part of the EBSS £400. - This is new.

And then again the point that MWT states - all domestic households will get the EBSS but we don't know how or when yet - not new, but good to see it's still planned.

MWT

Deleted_User said:

If electricity is included in your rent, your landlord must pass on the relevant part of the EBSS £400. - This is new.

... and very unclear what they have in mind.

If the landlord has one account and four tenants using it, they need to understand they are only getting £100 each...

In cases where there is just a sub-meter off the landlords own personal domestic supply it is hard to see how they are going to insist that the landlord doesn't get to keep their own £400 in full...

... and as for this bit...

" If, on the other hand, you pay an “all inclusive” rent incorporating a fixed charge for energy use, your landlord should pass the Energy Price Guarantee and Energy Bills Support Scheme benefits to you if provided for in your tenancy agreement."

... I'm not expecting there to be many tenancy agreements out there that anticipated the need to include anything about EPG or EBSS, and any price reactive mechanisms in the agreement will usually be related to increases in cost, not support schemes...

chris_n

Surely if you have a fixed rent including energy paying £400 to the tenant leaves the landlord out of pocket. He will be paying more for the energy without having put the rent up.
I guess these sort of issues are why it is taking so long to get the guidance issued.

smellymel74

Deleted_User said:

A couple of changes from what we already knew - although one of them we already knew through another route.

If you buy electricity from a landlord or a park owner etc, they must pass on the reduction in their tariff that they get from the commercial version of the EPG.  There will be legislation to enforce this.  - Interesting to clarify, but I think unnecessary because this should already be covered by the rules around re-selling of electricity.

If electricity is included in your rent, your landlord must pass on the relevant part of the EBSS £400. - This is new.

And then again the point that MWT states - all domestic households will get the EBSS but we don't know how or when yet - not new, but good to see it's still planned.

Agreed. Sounds like there’s some positive news for those supplied by a re-reseller such as many park homes owners: “The business which has the direct commercial relationship with the energy supplier (for example the park owner) will receive support via the Energy Bill Relief Scheme and *we will act now to introduce legislation so that they have to pass the benefit directly on to residents*” - that’s a big development from what we knew I think.

they’re also putting a deadline on this - by the end of the year to receive it.

much less clear for those on alternative fuels like LPG though sadly. 

QrizB

smellymel74 said:

much less clear for those on alternative fuels like LPG though sadly. 

LPG and oil are both currently cheaper than mains gas for typical customers, on a per-kWh basis.

As an example, here's the Boilerjuice chart for oil covering the last three months:

Mains gas at 10.3p/kWh is equivalent to about 108p/litre for oil, which is off the top of that chart.

For LPG it's something like 70p/litre.

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smellymel74 said:

Deleted_User said:

A couple of changes from what we already knew - although one of them we already knew through another route.

If you buy electricity from a landlord or a park owner etc, they must pass on the reduction in their tariff that they get from the commercial version of the EPG.  There will be legislation to enforce this.  - Interesting to clarify, but I think unnecessary because this should already be covered by the rules around re-selling of electricity.

If electricity is included in your rent, your landlord must pass on the relevant part of the EBSS £400. - This is new.

And then again the point that MWT states - all domestic households will get the EBSS but we don't know how or when yet - not new, but good to see it's still planned.

Agreed. Sounds like there’s some positive news for those supplied by a re-reseller such as many park homes owners: “The business which has the direct commercial relationship with the energy supplier (for example the park owner) will receive support via the Energy Bill Relief Scheme and *we will act now to introduce legislation so that they have to pass the benefit directly on to residents*” - that’s a big development from what we knew I think.

they’re also putting a deadline on this - by the end of the year to receive it.

much less clear for those on alternative fuels like LPG though sadly. 

As I posted - this isn't actually much different from the resale of electricity rules.  I don't see why it needs new legislation.

Don't get confused between the EBRS (a discount on some business tariffs) and the EBSS (the £400 rebate).