What am I paying for gas and electric

Coffeekup

SAC2334 said:

They are saying your own personal consumption is £1971 a year.. I make that your new monthly payments to be  approx. £130 a month if your £400 electric reduction is deducted

That was untill the end of September... We're now in October 

Coffeekup

mucky1957 said:

BooJewels said:

No, unfortunately not - the gas meter probably measures in m³ - cubic meters - the volume of gas that has gone through your meter.  It might also measure in cubic feet which is a different calculation, so you'd need to check your meter to be sure.

You're being billed in kWh - at 10.33p each - the energy the gas generates.  There are very approximately 11.4 kWh per m³ of gas - so your gas bill for the 24 hours would be 2.05m³ x 11.4 = 23.37kWh x 10.33p = £2.41 approximately + your standing charge of 28.485p = £2.69 for the day. 

There is a variable in the actual calculation for gas billing - the calorific value of the actual gas supplied to you - hence I use the word approximately.

Edited for clarity and to add the standing charge.

So if I take a reading every so often and use the formula you provided..that will give me a rough idea of usage ??

For that period to the last meter reading yes, it'll be lower In the summer months and getting higher in spring/ autumn month's and eye watering in winter months.

victor2

mucky1957 said:

..and I'm guessing the electricity reading is correct. It really does get a bit scary when you see actual figures.

It does get scary very easily. Take readings as often as you feel inclined to know your costs. Keep a note of them all, possibly in a spreadsheet if you can, then you can start figuring out your average costs. Your electricity usage is high, not least because of your aquarium and pond. Only you can decide if they're worth it. Maybe there are places you can economise. If it is possible to run your pond and/or aquarium without any electricity for 24 hours, you'll get an idea what they actually cost to run as opposed to what the entire house costs.

BooJewels

mucky1957 said:

BooJewels said:

No, unfortunately not - the gas meter probably measures in m³ - cubic meters - the volume of gas that has gone through your meter.  It might also measure in cubic feet which is a different calculation, so you'd need to check your meter to be sure.

You're being billed in kWh - at 10.33p each - the energy the gas generates.  There are very approximately 11.4 kWh per m³ of gas - so your gas bill for the 24 hours would be 2.05m³ x 11.4 = 23.37kWh x 10.33p = £2.41 approximately + your standing charge of 28.485p = £2.69 for the day. 

There is a variable in the actual calculation for gas billing - the calorific value of the actual gas supplied to you - hence I use the word approximately.

Edited for clarity and to add the standing charge.

So if I take a reading every so often and use the formula you provided..that will give me a rough idea 

It's a ballpark figure - but if you want to fine tune it, the actual calculation used for your bill, is usually included on your bill - somewhere in a box off to the side.  If you're able to use a spreadsheet, put the calculation in there as a formula to be able to work out the cost of any period of time - not forgetting the standing charge for the number of days and VAT at 5% - I included that in the gross figures I used for your quick and dirty calculation. 

Edited later to sort out quotes

mucky1957

victor2 said:

mucky1957 said:

..and I'm guessing the electricity reading is correct. It really does get a bit scary when you see actual figures.

It does get scary very easily. Take readings as often as you feel inclined to know your costs. Keep a note of them all, possibly in a spreadsheet if you can, then you can start figuring out your average costs. Your electricity usage is high, not least because of your aquarium and pond. Only you can decide if they're worth it. Maybe there are places you can economise. If it is possible to run your pond and/or aquarium without any electricity for 24 hours, you'll get an idea what they actually cost to run as opposed to what the entire house costs.

the pond has things running that I wont be using over the winter so they will save some money...but what I can't do is shut everything down for 24hr unfortunately.

ariarnia

you could get a electric monitor plug (i think these are the one that are most often recommended on here https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Tapo-Wireless-Required-P100/dp/B097YBXHTW/ref=asc_df_B07Z942YWS/ ) and monitor that way. things like heaters (and your fridge) will come on and off during the day so best to leave the plug on for a full day or two. 

i know someone with a big aquarium and to reduce heating costs he put a cabinet around three sides of it (insulating it). not sure if that's an option for you (or if it's already in a cabinet thinking about if any insulation can fill any gaps)

SAC2334

BUFF said:

the electricity meter should read in kWh so it's a direct figure, no calculations to get there as with gas.

They all do measure in kwh, just need to multiply by the tariff, eg 33p/34p  and add  daily standing charge and theres your bill. 
One smart gas meter does measure in kwhs along with the usual  M 3 . Secure Liberty eG4 

victor2

SAC2334 said:

BUFF said:

the electricity meter should read in kWh so it's a direct figure, no calculations to get there as with gas.

They all do measure in kwh, just need to multiply by the tariff, eg 33p/34p for the price then add VAT and daily standing charge and theres your bill. 
One smart gas metre does measure in kwhs along with the usual  M 3 . Secure Liberty eG4 

But the smart meters don't know what gas CV will be used for the next bill, so the kWh is probably very close but not spot on and volume will still be used for billing purposes. You can see the posts on here if the meter kWh was commonplace...

"My supplier always over charges me by 1 or 2 kWh. They have 5 million customers so are making a big profit out of this."

Opens the door to conspiracy theories!

mucky1957

Thanks again everyone.

The aquarium is as cost effective as it can be ( whether I keep it is another matter )

We ( the boss and I ) decided against any sort of smart meter simply because the costs are what the costs are and what we use wouldn't change.

Just did another 24hr test and the gas and elec costs were pretty much the same.

badger09

ariarnia said:

you could get a electric monitor plug (i think these are the one that are most often recommended on here https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Tapo-Wireless-Required-P100/dp/B097YBXHTW/ref=asc_df_B07Z942YWS/ ) and monitor that way. things like heaters (and your fridge) will come on and off during the day so best to leave the plug on for a full day or two. 

i know someone with a big aquarium and to reduce heating costs he put a cabinet around three sides of it (insulating it). not sure if that's an option for you (or if it's already in a cabinet thinking about if any insulation can fill any gaps)

Its actually the Tapo P110 which included energy monitoring. P100 is simply a smart plug. Useful for turning stuff on & off, but P110 does that & more.