Free Parking for Gatwick in Horley?

tightauldgit

CKhalvashi said:

TELLIT01 said:

I understand that it's annoying for the people who live on the road where cars are parked, but there is nothing illegal in doing so.  As long as the car is insured and has MOT if required, the local residents have no more legal right to park there than anybody else.  In fact we had a similar situation outside our neighbour's house where an unknown car (unknown to me) was left for several days.  I asked the neighbour if they knew anything about as I was concerned it may have been stolen and dumped.  It turned out it was his son's car, left there while he was on holiday and Dad had taken him to the airport.

Illegal or not, in most cases it's about respect for others.

I shouldn't have to face frequent abuse when going to see anyone in the community I live because of a minority of airport parkers.

Equally I didn't have my bins collected last week due to an airport parker blocking the road (they were seen taking suitcases from their car, we have nowhere to put our bins at the front of the house so if the lorry can't get to the back we lose services we pay for).

Seems like you are blaming the wrong people here - the people in the wrong are the one's subjecting you and others to abuse.  

CKhalvashi

tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

TELLIT01 said:

I understand that it's annoying for the people who live on the road where cars are parked, but there is nothing illegal in doing so.  As long as the car is insured and has MOT if required, the local residents have no more legal right to park there than anybody else.  In fact we had a similar situation outside our neighbour's house where an unknown car (unknown to me) was left for several days.  I asked the neighbour if they knew anything about as I was concerned it may have been stolen and dumped.  It turned out it was his son's car, left there while he was on holiday and Dad had taken him to the airport.

Illegal or not, in most cases it's about respect for others.

I shouldn't have to face frequent abuse when going to see anyone in the community I live because of a minority of airport parkers.

Equally I didn't have my bins collected last week due to an airport parker blocking the road (they were seen taking suitcases from their car, we have nowhere to put our bins at the front of the house so if the lorry can't get to the back we lose services we pay for).

Seems like you are blaming the wrong people here - the people in the wrong are the one's subjecting you and others to abuse.  

You appear to have not commented on the fact that I'm not receiving services I've paid for as a result of the actions of others doing exactly this, including the fact that some here will go as far as to drop their wife at the airport first to avoid being spotted with bags.

Yes it's wrong that I'm shouted at on a regular basis, but that you can't see the root cause of the problem which may cause people to be suspicious of an unfamiliar average-ish car with an unfamiliar average-ish driver is somewhat pushing things.

We are lucky enough to live on a single track road with 1 (legal) way in and out. Any vehicle someone would dump on that road would therefore be removed very quickly. We are unlucky in that it doesn't apply though to the access to our (rear) driveway which can fit 2 cars on the entrance at a squeeze, but not a car and a bin lorry. That may impede any access the emergency services may need though and 3 houses here have EV's so there may be increased risk of electrical fire, just saying

Not sure of the legality in the UK, but bouncing such cars onto a trailer to deposit them in the (paid) Council car park (which is a much more suitable place and where they will unfortunately be subject to daily fines) could possibly become a very lucrative business model.
https://trans.info/en/trucker-finds-simple-solution-for-moving-badly-parked-car-in-viral-vid-248147

zagfles

It seems people are (perhaps deliberately) conflating the issues of illegal/obstructive parking with perfectly legal, non obstructive but "outsider" parking. Of course any obstructive parking that doesn't allow eg emergency services or bin lorry access is anti social and probably illegal, but that's a different issue to an outsider parking legally and safely without causing an obstruction, they have every much as right to do so wherever in the country they live. If residents have a problem with parking they can always ask the council for residents only bays, as happens in lots of other areas eg town centres, near train stations, near big venues etc.

I've stayed in Horley a few times when flying from Gatwick, it's a nice walk to the airport along the cycle route by the Gatwick stream past the lake. I've noticed most streets are now residents only or have parking restictions at strange hours eg residents only 10-11am presumably to prevent daytime or long term parking. But I usually travel there by PT anyway.

Westin

zagfles said:

It seems people are (perhaps deliberately) conflating the issues of illegal/obstructive parking with perfectly legal, non obstructive but "outsider" parking. Of course any obstructive parking that doesn't allow eg emergency services or bin lorry access is anti social and probably illegal, but that's a different issue to an outsider parking legally and safely without causing an obstruction, they have every much as right to do so wherever in the country they live. If residents have a problem with parking they can always ask the council for residents only bays, as happens in lots of other areas eg town centres, near train stations, near big venues etc.

I've stayed in Horley a few times when flying from Gatwick, it's a nice walk to the airport along the cycle route by the Gatwick stream past the lake. I've noticed most streets are now residents only or have parking restictions at strange hours eg residents only 10-11am presumably to prevent daytime or long term parking. But I usually travel there by PT anyway.

As someone who lives in this area, this is exactly what has happened.  Lots of parking restrictions in local streets.  A shame that this was the outcome of anti-social airport parkers.

zagfles

Westin said:

zagfles said:

It seems people are (perhaps deliberately) conflating the issues of illegal/obstructive parking with perfectly legal, non obstructive but "outsider" parking. Of course any obstructive parking that doesn't allow eg emergency services or bin lorry access is anti social and probably illegal, but that's a different issue to an outsider parking legally and safely without causing an obstruction, they have every much as right to do so wherever in the country they live. If residents have a problem with parking they can always ask the council for residents only bays, as happens in lots of other areas eg town centres, near train stations, near big venues etc.

I've stayed in Horley a few times when flying from Gatwick, it's a nice walk to the airport along the cycle route by the Gatwick stream past the lake. I've noticed most streets are now residents only or have parking restictions at strange hours eg residents only 10-11am presumably to prevent daytime or long term parking. But I usually travel there by PT anyway.

As someone who lives in this area, this is exactly what has happened.  Lots of parking restrictions in local streets.  A shame that this was the outcome of anti-social airport parkers.

No different to lots of other places. My kids both lived near major train stations when they were at uni, their streets and surrounding ones were residents only or double yellows which was a pain when dropping them off with all their stuff as not having cars they didn't even have a residents parking permit.

If you choose to live near any major transportation hub it's the price you pay, you can't have it both ways, either restrict parking eg to residents (usually with visitor permits) or by time. Judging people on their reason for parking won't work, unless you're a vigilante (who as mentioned above often target the "wrong" people anyway)

tightauldgit

CKhalvashi said:

tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

TELLIT01 said:

I understand that it's annoying for the people who live on the road where cars are parked, but there is nothing illegal in doing so.  As long as the car is insured and has MOT if required, the local residents have no more legal right to park there than anybody else.  In fact we had a similar situation outside our neighbour's house where an unknown car (unknown to me) was left for several days.  I asked the neighbour if they knew anything about as I was concerned it may have been stolen and dumped.  It turned out it was his son's car, left there while he was on holiday and Dad had taken him to the airport.

Illegal or not, in most cases it's about respect for others.

I shouldn't have to face frequent abuse when going to see anyone in the community I live because of a minority of airport parkers.

Equally I didn't have my bins collected last week due to an airport parker blocking the road (they were seen taking suitcases from their car, we have nowhere to put our bins at the front of the house so if the lorry can't get to the back we lose services we pay for).

Seems like you are blaming the wrong people here - the people in the wrong are the one's subjecting you and others to abuse.  

You appear to have not commented on the fact that I'm not receiving services I've paid for as a result of the actions of others doing exactly this, including the fact that some here will go as far as to drop their wife at the airport first to avoid being spotted with bags.

Yes it's wrong that I'm shouted at on a regular basis, but that you can't see the root cause of the problem which may cause people to be suspicious of an unfamiliar average-ish car with an unfamiliar average-ish driver is somewhat pushing things.

We are lucky enough to live on a single track road with 1 (legal) way in and out. Any vehicle someone would dump on that road would therefore be removed very quickly. We are unlucky in that it doesn't apply though to the access to our (rear) driveway which can fit 2 cars on the entrance at a squeeze, but not a car and a bin lorry. That may impede any access the emergency services may need though and 3 houses here have EV's so there may be increased risk of electrical fire, just saying

Not sure of the legality in the UK, but bouncing such cars onto a trailer to deposit them in the (paid) Council car park (which is a much more suitable place and where they will unfortunately be subject to daily fines) could possibly become a very lucrative business model.
https://trans.info/en/trucker-finds-simple-solution-for-moving-badly-parked-car-in-viral-vid-248147

If legal parking of cars outside your house is causing an obstruction that's a task for the council to intervene. The "root issue" is that these complainers have no right over the land outside their homes and yet act as if they do. And no vigilante-ism because you don't like the perfectly legal actions of other people isn't really a solution either. 

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zagfles

tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

TELLIT01 said:

I understand that it's annoying for the people who live on the road where cars are parked, but there is nothing illegal in doing so.  As long as the car is insured and has MOT if required, the local residents have no more legal right to park there than anybody else.  In fact we had a similar situation outside our neighbour's house where an unknown car (unknown to me) was left for several days.  I asked the neighbour if they knew anything about as I was concerned it may have been stolen and dumped.  It turned out it was his son's car, left there while he was on holiday and Dad had taken him to the airport.

Illegal or not, in most cases it's about respect for others.

I shouldn't have to face frequent abuse when going to see anyone in the community I live because of a minority of airport parkers.

Equally I didn't have my bins collected last week due to an airport parker blocking the road (they were seen taking suitcases from their car, we have nowhere to put our bins at the front of the house so if the lorry can't get to the back we lose services we pay for).

Seems like you are blaming the wrong people here - the people in the wrong are the one's subjecting you and others to abuse.  

You appear to have not commented on the fact that I'm not receiving services I've paid for as a result of the actions of others doing exactly this, including the fact that some here will go as far as to drop their wife at the airport first to avoid being spotted with bags.

Yes it's wrong that I'm shouted at on a regular basis, but that you can't see the root cause of the problem which may cause people to be suspicious of an unfamiliar average-ish car with an unfamiliar average-ish driver is somewhat pushing things.

We are lucky enough to live on a single track road with 1 (legal) way in and out. Any vehicle someone would dump on that road would therefore be removed very quickly. We are unlucky in that it doesn't apply though to the access to our (rear) driveway which can fit 2 cars on the entrance at a squeeze, but not a car and a bin lorry. That may impede any access the emergency services may need though and 3 houses here have EV's so there may be increased risk of electrical fire, just saying

Not sure of the legality in the UK, but bouncing such cars onto a trailer to deposit them in the (paid) Council car park (which is a much more suitable place and where they will unfortunately be subject to daily fines) could possibly become a very lucrative business model.
https://trans.info/en/trucker-finds-simple-solution-for-moving-badly-parked-car-in-viral-vid-248147

If legal parking of cars outside your house is causing an obstruction that's a task for the council to intervene. The "root issue" is that these complainers have no right over the land outside their homes and yet act as if they do. And no vigilante-ism because you don't like the perfectly legal actions of other people isn't really a solution either. 

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It sounds like it isn't even about the space outside their house, it's an attitude that parking anywhere in the area should only be for locals, "these are local roads, for local people" attitude (anyone remember League of Gentlemen )

Reminds me of a time I went to visit an old uni friend in NW Wales, we went to a local beach about 5 miles from where he lives, but the main car park was full so we found a side street to park in. It was very wide, with hardly any parked cars, and no parking restrictions, but this bloke came rushing out of his house saying we can't park there, he needs the space for his girlfriend. But as well as there being loads of space on the road, he had a massive drive that could fit about 6 cars!

My friend said to him in Welsh something like "are you saving your drive for a spaceship?". He then said "oh sorry, I thought you were English, parking there's fine for you"!

If roads genuinely get choked with cars so that residents can't park near their homes then it should be quite easy to get the council to make it residents only. A friend of mine lives on a road where it was almost impossible to park as a visitor because it's near a small shopping centre and local people who were too tight to pay a couple of £ to park in the car park and too lazy to walk used to park there. It wasn't the sort of shopping centre that attracted people from far and wide, just bog standard shops, so it would have been mainly locals. Now it's residents only it's easy to park there (they can register visitors online).

High street near me always takes ages to drive through, because people are stupidly, obstructively and illegally parked. Most probably only for 5-10 mins or so, so they thiink it's OK, trouble is as soon as they go someone else does the same so the road is always congested and it takes ages to get through it.

OTOH there's a car parked opposite me that's been there weeks, none of the neighbours know who's it is, one of them reported it to the police but they found no issue (taxed and MOT'ed etc) and parked legally, not causing an obstruction, not causing anyone to have to park too far from their house, so really don't understand what their problem is.

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tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

tightauldgit said:

CKhalvashi said:

TELLIT01 said:

I understand that it's annoying for the people who live on the road where cars are parked, but there is nothing illegal in doing so.  As long as the car is insured and has MOT if required, the local residents have no more legal right to park there than anybody else.  In fact we had a similar situation outside our neighbour's house where an unknown car (unknown to me) was left for several days.  I asked the neighbour if they knew anything about as I was concerned it may have been stolen and dumped.  It turned out it was his son's car, left there while he was on holiday and Dad had taken him to the airport.

Illegal or not, in most cases it's about respect for others.

I shouldn't have to face frequent abuse when going to see anyone in the community I live because of a minority of airport parkers.

Equally I didn't have my bins collected last week due to an airport parker blocking the road (they were seen taking suitcases from their car, we have nowhere to put our bins at the front of the house so if the lorry can't get to the back we lose services we pay for).

Seems like you are blaming the wrong people here - the people in the wrong are the one's subjecting you and others to abuse.  

You appear to have not commented on the fact that I'm not receiving services I've paid for as a result of the actions of others doing exactly this, including the fact that some here will go as far as to drop their wife at the airport first to avoid being spotted with bags.

Yes it's wrong that I'm shouted at on a regular basis, but that you can't see the root cause of the problem which may cause people to be suspicious of an unfamiliar average-ish car with an unfamiliar average-ish driver is somewhat pushing things.

We are lucky enough to live on a single track road with 1 (legal) way in and out. Any vehicle someone would dump on that road would therefore be removed very quickly. We are unlucky in that it doesn't apply though to the access to our (rear) driveway which can fit 2 cars on the entrance at a squeeze, but not a car and a bin lorry. That may impede any access the emergency services may need though and 3 houses here have EV's so there may be increased risk of electrical fire, just saying

Not sure of the legality in the UK, but bouncing such cars onto a trailer to deposit them in the (paid) Council car park (which is a much more suitable place and where they will unfortunately be subject to daily fines) could possibly become a very lucrative business model.
https://trans.info/en/trucker-finds-simple-solution-for-moving-badly-parked-car-in-viral-vid-248147

If legal parking of cars outside your house is causing an obstruction that's a task for the council to intervene. The "root issue" is that these complainers have no right over the land outside their homes and yet act as if they do. And no vigilante-ism because you don't like the perfectly legal actions of other people isn't really a solution either. 

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Councils are often useless. They can generate income by issuing fines, but it costs them money to adjust road markings.

If you are handy with paint you can always make your own entrance marking, wide enough to ensure proper access for bin lorries.

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zagfles said:

Westin said:

zagfles said:

It seems people are (perhaps deliberately) conflating the issues of illegal/obstructive parking with perfectly legal, non obstructive but "outsider" parking. Of course any obstructive parking that doesn't allow eg emergency services or bin lorry access is anti social and probably illegal, but that's a different issue to an outsider parking legally and safely without causing an obstruction, they have every much as right to do so wherever in the country they live. If residents have a problem with parking they can always ask the council for residents only bays, as happens in lots of other areas eg town centres, near train stations, near big venues etc.

I've stayed in Horley a few times when flying from Gatwick, it's a nice walk to the airport along the cycle route by the Gatwick stream past the lake. I've noticed most streets are now residents only or have parking restictions at strange hours eg residents only 10-11am presumably to prevent daytime or long term parking. But I usually travel there by PT anyway.

As someone who lives in this area, this is exactly what has happened.  Lots of parking restrictions in local streets.  A shame that this was the outcome of anti-social airport parkers.

No different to lots of other places. My kids both lived near major train stations when they were at uni, their streets and surrounding ones were residents only or double yellows which was a pain when dropping them off with all their stuff as not having cars they didn't even have a residents parking permit.

If you choose to live near any major transportation hub it's the price you pay, you can't have it both ways, either restrict parking eg to residents (usually with visitor permits) or by time. Judging people on their reason for parking won't work, unless you're a vigilante (who as mentioned above often target the "wrong" people anyway)

Living near an airport is rarely a choice.

The issue is that the airport charges rip off prices instead of providing enough affordable parking to prevent it becoming a problem for its neighbours.

zagfles

[Deleted User] said:

zagfles said:

Westin said:

zagfles said:

It seems people are (perhaps deliberately) conflating the issues of illegal/obstructive parking with perfectly legal, non obstructive but "outsider" parking. Of course any obstructive parking that doesn't allow eg emergency services or bin lorry access is anti social and probably illegal, but that's a different issue to an outsider parking legally and safely without causing an obstruction, they have every much as right to do so wherever in the country they live. If residents have a problem with parking they can always ask the council for residents only bays, as happens in lots of other areas eg town centres, near train stations, near big venues etc.

I've stayed in Horley a few times when flying from Gatwick, it's a nice walk to the airport along the cycle route by the Gatwick stream past the lake. I've noticed most streets are now residents only or have parking restictions at strange hours eg residents only 10-11am presumably to prevent daytime or long term parking. But I usually travel there by PT anyway.

As someone who lives in this area, this is exactly what has happened.  Lots of parking restrictions in local streets.  A shame that this was the outcome of anti-social airport parkers.

No different to lots of other places. My kids both lived near major train stations when they were at uni, their streets and surrounding ones were residents only or double yellows which was a pain when dropping them off with all their stuff as not having cars they didn't even have a residents parking permit.

If you choose to live near any major transportation hub it's the price you pay, you can't have it both ways, either restrict parking eg to residents (usually with visitor permits) or by time. Judging people on their reason for parking won't work, unless you're a vigilante (who as mentioned above often target the "wrong" people anyway)

Living near an airport is rarely a choice.

The issue is that the airport charges rip off prices instead of providing enough affordable parking to prevent it becoming a problem for its neighbours.

What, people are compelled to live a next to an airport?

Airport parking is not usually that expensive compared to other major transport hubs or city centres, usually about £10 a day, the station car park near my son's uni accomodation was £12 a day (I had to park there once).

It does seem people living in leafy villages near an airport have a sense of privilege over those who live in city centres and don't feel they should have to put up with the same parking issues people living near major train stations or city centres do. If you choose to live near a major transport hub, high street, event location, tourist attraction etc you'll likely get roads clogged with motorists from outside the area parking there.

Obstructive parking aside, it doesn't really matter whether it's a few people parking for a week or two, or a constant flow of different people parking for a shorter time. Most residential streets in city centres or near major train stations are far worse than eg Horley, I didn't see cars on practically every available roadside parking location, as I do near most major railway stations or city centres.